Session Start: Sat May 05 08:28:11 2007
[08:28] * Now talking in #knownspace[08:28] * Topic is 'Happy Birthday, Larry!!_'[08:28] * Set by Sean on Mon Apr 30 14:55:56[08:28] * Retrieving #knownspace modes...[08:29] * Sean changes topic to 'In Loving Memory of Frank Gasperik. RIP, my friend._'[08:29] * Sean raises a cup of coffee in toast[08:30] <Sean> the brandy will come later[08:30] * Sean is now known as SeanLog[09:03] * SeanS sets mode: +o InvisibleDragon[09:06] <InvisibleDragon> Hello. ANyone awake?[09:14] <InvisibleDragon> It seems so empty here without Frank. [09:20] <SeanLog> sure does[09:21] <SeanLog> how is the topic?[09:24] <SeanS> give me a buzz for a couple minutes of convo 502-xxx-xxxx[09:33] <SeanS> off to keeneland to place bets on the kentucky derby. that number is a cell so you can still call if you wish[10:33] * CatPasswd has joined #knownspace[10:40] * UncleNasty has joined #knownspace[10:40] <UncleNasty> hey all[10:49] * Lensman has joined #knownspace[10:54] * growler has joined #knownspace[10:56] <growler> ping?[10:56] <UncleNasty> pong[10:56] <UncleNasty> how goes it growler?[10:56] <growler> not well for some, sadly[10:57] <UncleNasty> no kidding[10:59] <growler> just saw the new Spiderman movie[10:59] <UncleNasty> same here[11:00] <UncleNasty> suffering from batman syndrome[11:00] <UncleNasty> venom was done nicely, though[11:00] <UncleNasty> as was sandman[11:01] <UncleNasty> back in a bit[11:16] * growler has quit IRC[13:34] * UncleNasty has quit IRC (Quit: meanwhile, back in the jungle..._)[13:58] * the_lorax has joined #knownspace[14:02] * the_lorax has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer_)[14:17] * nick_danger has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer_)[14:23] * SpeckleShy has joined #knownspace[14:24] * SpeckleShy has quit IRC (Quit: *g0ne*_)[14:59] * Agincourtdb has joined #knownspace[14:59] <Agincourtdb> Hi all[15:01] <SeanS> hi[15:02] <Agincourtdb> Just woke up[15:02] <SeanS> just got in from running errands[15:03] <SeanS> leaving for a derby party in about an hour and a half[15:03] <Agincourtdb> got a big hat?[15:03] <SeanS> nah[15:03] <Agincourtdb> oh, wait, that's just girls[15:03] <SeanS> right[15:04] <SeanS> i live in kentucky so it is kind of mandatory that i be at a derby party[15:04] <Agincourtdb> right[15:04] <Agincourtdb> being a marylander I will be going to at least one crab feast[15:04] <SeanS> its written into the state constitution i think[15:04] <Agincourtdb> same basic idea[15:05] <Agincourtdb> well I reread the end of Footfall, like I said[15:05] <Agincourtdb> and what sticks in my head is,[15:05] <Agincourtdb> "All this just to wear a pressure suit"[15:05] <Agincourtdb> :-)[15:06] <SeanS> hehe[15:10] * Agincourt has joined #knownspace[15:10] <Agincourt> I dropped[15:10] <Agincourt> wifi connection[15:11] * Agincourtdb has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer_)[15:11] <SeanS> i just fired off a header download but dont think it affects irc at all[15:17] <SeanS> hmmm, spiderman 3[15:17] <Agincourt> I hear it's not very good[15:17] <SeanS> there was some commentary earlier...[15:18] <SeanS> <growler> just saw the new Spiderman movie[15:18] <SeanS> <UncleNasty> same here[15:18] <SeanS> <UncleNasty> suffering from batman syndrome[15:18] <SeanS> <UncleNasty> venom was done nicely, though[15:18] <SeanS> <UncleNasty> as was sandman[15:18] <SeanS> <UncleNasty> back in a bit[15:18] <Agincourt> thats almost exactly what my friend said[15:18] <Agincourt> the bad guy effects were good, but that otherwise they tried to do to much[15:18] <Agincourt> and it doesn't work[15:19] <SeanS> pulling now, will probably watch it in the morning[15:19] <SeanS> oos, dr who will take precedence in the morning[15:19] <SeanS> oops[15:20] <Agincourt> evervyone else afk?[15:20] <SeanS> apparently[15:21] <Agincourt> I have to read allyn's blog[15:21] <SeanS> its pretty good[15:24] <Agincourt> yeah[15:25] <Agincourt> My gig last night went well[15:31] <SeanS> good deal[15:32] <SeanS> need to beam upstairs for a medical emergency.... gf cut her leg shaving[15:32] <Agincourt> k[15:37] * Agincourt wanders around the room alone, examining the plastic potted plants[15:37] * Agincourt is now known as AgincourtDB[15:37] * AgincourtDB notices and fixes his nick[16:10] <AgincourtDB> cool[16:10] <AgincourtDB> because I'm not sure mine is logging even though I set it to[16:10] <AgincourtDB> It may require restart or something[16:11] <SeanS> amazing it can get disconnected when it is on the lan with the irc server[16:11] <SeanS> what client are you using?[16:11] <AgincourtDB> mirc[16:11] <SeanS> it starts logging immediately[16:11] <AgincourtDB> oh ok[16:11] <AgincourtDB> it just doesnt write to file yet?[16:12] <SeanS> it should write to #knownspace in the logs subdirectory[16:12] <AgincourtDB> yeah there's nothing thered[16:12] <SeanS> hmm[16:13] <SeanS> let me go to the other room[16:14] <SeanLog> this is set to automatically log channels[16:14] <SeanLog> lock log files[16:14] <AgincourtDB> well as long as you're logging it doesnt matter[16:14] <SeanLog> and timestamp logs[16:14] <SeanLog> thats it really[16:14] <SeanLog> oh, and this is mirc[16:14] <AgincourtDB> k[16:24] * Treehug has joined #knownspace[16:25] <Treehug> Hey all[16:25] * nick_danger has joined #knownspace[16:25] <AgincourtDB> hi[16:26] <AgincourtDB> it's a little quiet in here[16:26] <Treehug> Yeah. [16:27] <AgincourtDB> it's a no-chatting chat room[16:28] <Treehug> What's to say? I wish I'd gotten to meet Frank. I don't know what he was like in person, but I liked what I knew of him from here and the List.[16:28] <AgincourtDB> yeah[16:29] <SeanS> i talked to him voice all the time[16:29] <SeanS> him and peggy both[16:29] * allyngibson has joined #knownspace[16:31] <Treehug> I'm trying to work out what books or stories he was in, besides Footfall, Lucifer's Hammer, and Fallen Angels.[16:31] <allyngibson> hello all[16:32] <SeanS> hi allyn[16:32] <Treehug> Hi Allyn[16:32] <AgincourtDB> hi[16:33] <allyngibson> sorry, I'd forgotten completely about the chat :/[16:33] <Treehug> I had something to do this afternoon that I could not get out of. Did I miss much, or has it been this quiet?[16:33] <SeanS> its been very quiet[16:33] <SeanS> carol phillips said she might pop in for 10 minutes every now and then[16:37] <Treehug> I googled Frank, got some interesting things. Couple of articles he wrote, many mentions of him at other sites.[16:38] <AgincourtDB> http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/A/frankgasperik.htm[16:38] * nick_danger has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer_)[16:38] * nick_danger has joined #knownspace[16:40] <AgincourtDB> http://www.locusmag.com/index/s292.html[16:40] <Treehug> I like that photo at boston-baden, but when you click on it for full size, it says file not found.[16:41] * allyngibson has quit IRC (Ping timeout_)[16:42] <AgincourtDB> yeah[16:42] <AgincourtDB> http://home.earthlink.net/~sidebrnz/car.html[16:44] <Treehug> http://www.zarthani.net/Images/gasperik.pdf[16:45] <SeanS> well fellows, i hate to leave good company but i must be off to a kentucky derby party[16:45] <Treehug> Ah, the equest -- equester -- the horses![16:46] <SeanS> yeppers[16:46] <SeanS> cheer hard for the 8 horse 'hard spun'[16:46] <Treehug> Here's a tip for the races: don't lose.[16:46] <SeanS> i will keep that in mind ;)[16:46] <SeanS> later everyone[16:46] <Treehug> bye[16:46] * SeanS is now known as SeanAway[16:47] <Treehug> Tanj. Frank was unique, and we'll not see another one like him.[16:48] <Treehug> However, I suspect we will continue to see him in books![16:49] <AgincourtDB> http://www.smithway.org/fanpix/lasfs/lasfs.html[16:50] * EML has joined #knownspace[16:51] <AgincourtDB> hi[16:51] <EML> _12Memory of Frank? I didn't know. Was it sudden?[16:51] <Treehug> Somewhat unexpected. We had hoped he was getting better.[16:52] <EML> _12I'm very sorry to hear the news.[16:53] <Treehug> He's been in hospital for a couple of weeks, and had apparently been stable. Then suddenly he wasn't. [16:53] <EML> _12I only knew him for a short time, a few emails and recent chats, but I liked him a lot. He seemed quite the gentleman. [16:53] <AgincourtDB> In my google for frank I have discovered a PDF of Ringworld in, like, Hungarian or Czech or something[16:54] <Treehug> He was a unique character.[16:54] <AgincourtDB> oop, no it's RE[16:54] <AgincourtDB> http://www.pity.rwan.org/larry/prstenec2.pdf[16:54] <Treehug> Well, hard to tell in Czech.[16:54] <AgincourtDB> exactly[16:54] <AgincourtDB> It might be polish[16:55] <EML> _12How old was Frank?[16:56] * vilstef has joined #knownspace[16:56] <vilstef> Hello all[16:57] <Treehug> According to his 2003 bio for loscon, he was 250 then. He was born in 1942.[16:57] <Treehug> 65 then.[16:57] <AgincourtDB> hey vilstef[16:57] <vilstef> HI![16:58] <EML> _12thanks, treehug[16:58] <Treehug> No, wait, that was something else, maybe lasfs, wher he put his age at 250.[16:59] <AgincourtDB> http://home.earthlink.net/~felix33/[17:00] <Treehug> I always wondered, why "felix"?[17:02] <vilstef> I've wondered that too.[17:06] <AgincourtDB> anybody know what time the formal chat started/starts?[17:08] <AgincourtDB> well, those were all the links I found in 36 pages of 'Gasperik'[17:08] <AgincourtDB> that were at all relevant[17:09] <AgincourtDB> there were a couple references to his and Leslie's story in Locus, in a couple different languages[17:09] <Treehug> I believe it started about two hours ago, if I've not got my time zones mixed again.[17:09] <AgincourtDB> I'm in EST[17:09] <Treehug> Me too.[17:10] <AgincourtDB> k[17:10] <Treehug> I have never been able to get the start time right. I'm either 30 minutes early or late.[17:10] <EML> _12Since Frank organized these chats, it's a tricky question. That said, isn't 1 PT the customary First Saturday start time? [17:10] <vilstef> I'm in central. Just signed on after taking the younger daughter to lunch & going to comic store for free comic book day.[17:10] <Treehug> Doesn't help that Saturday afternoon is usually my errand-running time.[17:11] <Treehug> Crap in a hat, I forgot free comic day! Ah, well.[17:12] <vilstef> Got a really interesting one. Peanuts strips which weren't reprinted in collections.[17:12] <EML> _12also Derby Day, for you CDT types. [17:16] <nick_danger> hi guys[17:18] <Treehug> Hey Nick[17:18] <EML> _12Hi, Nick[17:18] <vilstef> Hello, Nick[17:18] <nick_danger> hi. [17:18] <Treehug> Just read Allyn's web page on Frank. Very well said. http://www.allyngibson.net/?p=1118[17:21] <AgincourtDB> yeah[17:33] <Treehug> Folks, I have to go. Got one more errand, then dinner. Later this evening, I intend to sit down with Footfall and a large cold drink.[17:34] <EML> _12I guess I'll head out. [17:34] <Treehug> See you all on the List![17:34] * EML has quit IRC (Quit: *g0ne*_)[17:34] * Treehug has quit IRC (Quit: *g0ne*_)[17:38] <vilstef> <crickets>[17:39] <AgincourtDB> I'm blogging[17:40] <AgincourtDB> about last night's show, and frank[17:40] <nick_danger> i'm watching father ted. to try and take my mind off things.[17:41] <nick_danger> damn. it's over now and I don't have any more.[17:42] <vilstef> I'm checking downloads, listening to a new cd and contemplating a nap[17:43] <nick_danger> need to work on the blogging software. there is always something more to fix[17:43] <AgincourtDB> i just use livejournal[17:44] <nick_danger> i wrote my own[17:44] <AgincourtDB> cool[17:44] <AgincourtDB> i usually post using semagic[17:44] <nick_danger> check out the new logo for the blog (which I never update)[17:44] <nick_danger> www.thisistheshit.org[17:44] <AgincourtDB> lol[17:45] <nick_danger> my new roommate did it. he's working on the pimp my mao site[17:45] <nick_danger> that should be up soon. then larryniven.org can be banned in china.[17:45] <AgincourtDB> lol[17:45] <nick_danger> frank would have liked that. he thought it was a funny idea.[17:45] * Fred has joined #knownspace[17:46] * nick_danger wonders who he's going to argue with now.[17:46] <Fred> _02_I'll argue with you[17:46] <nick_danger> ok. [17:46] <Fred> _02_GLOBAL WARMING IS A CROCK[17:46] <nick_danger> heh. [17:46] <Fred> _02_:)[17:47] <nick_danger> global warming is caused by republicans![17:47] <nick_danger> all that hot air[17:47] <Fred> _02_Saving the world from the next ice age, obNiven Fallen Angels[17:48] <nick_danger> heh. that was a good book[17:48] <Fred> _02_Yep. I need to reread that again someday.[17:49] <Fred> _02_Next time AlGore 'testifies' before Congress, we should have Larry read Angels as a rebuttal :D[17:49] <vilstef> At last, a good rationale for global warming![17:49] <nick_danger> might be nice here. more like the algarve[17:52] <nick_danger> matt daemon is broken... or i'd set him loose in here[17:55] <nick_danger> http://home.earthlink.net/~sidebrnz/car.html[17:55] <nick_danger> I think we need to collect all this stuff.[17:56] <Fred> _02_so, since I pre-ordered FLEET OF WORLDS, Amazon.com is drowning me in suggestions for other science fiction novels[17:56] <nick_danger> is that up for pre-order?? I have my $10 gift certificate (payment from them for larryniven.org) to spend[17:57] * nick_danger can't wait to read a new known space book![17:57] <nick_danger> how much is it?[17:57] <Fred> _02_hang on, I'll pull up my order[17:58] <Fred> _02_http://www.amazon.com/Fleet-Worlds-Larry-Niven/dp/0765318253[17:58] <Fred> _02_$16.47[18:00] <nick_danger> ok. i'll put my ten bucks down on it[18:00] <Fred> _02_heh. $6.47 total. Well worth it![18:00] <nick_danger> oh yeah. i've waited years for some more ks stuff[18:01] <nick_danger> kind fitting to spend larry niven money on larry niven[18:02] <vilstef> Good idea-I like it.[18:02] <nick_danger> i have to get the other computer (my mac is being used as a tv)[18:03] <Fred> _02_Patrimony[18:03] <AgincourtDB> about the only thing Macs are good for [18:03] * AgincourtDB ducks[18:03] <Fred> _02_Recommended because you purchased Fleet of Worlds[18:06] * the_lorax has joined #knownspace[18:07] <the_lorax> ok. i've changed identies[18:07] * AgincourtDB is done blogging[18:08] <Fred> _02_The Accidental Time Machine[18:08] <Fred> _02_Recommended because you purchased Fleet of Worlds[18:09] <AgincourtDB> http://agincourtdb.livejournal.com/[18:09] <Fred> _02_they only tossed a couple at me today[18:09] <the_lorax> isn't there a button to turn off their spam on their site or something[18:10] <vilstef> Better than a bunch of paypal phishing spam.[18:10] <Fred> _02_oh, sure, or I can just tell it not to send me stuff based on FLEET OF WORLDS[18:10] <Fred> _02_but frankly, their guesses are remarkably good[18:10] <AgincourtDB> yeah, i've ended up buying stuff that's been recommended[18:10] <AgincourtDB> at least in music[18:11] <Fred> _02_they just suggested 2 things I just ordered for my Mom for Mother's Day[18:11] <the_lorax> i wonder how the software that guesses your preferences works[18:11] <vilstef> I've never bought anything from amazon, I use their site for research. Lots of stuff they recommend I already have.[18:11] <Fred> _02_The scariest recommendation they made: When the new series PLANET EARTH debuted, in HiDef, I ordered a 500gb eSATA for our DVR[18:12] <Fred> _02_figuring I wanted to record the whole series[18:12] <AgincourtDB> I find amazon's prices lower than retail, and it's the best place to order used stuff[18:12] <AgincourtDB> most of what I buy through them are used cds[18:12] <the_lorax> heh. i had to buy one of those to hold all my episodes of mystery science theatre 3000[18:12] <Fred> _02_Later, Amazon recommended that I buy the HD release of PLANET EARTH - based on the fact that I bought the eSATA drive[18:12] <AgincourtDB> lol[18:13] <the_lorax> heh[18:13] <AgincourtDB> that's a theramin soundtrack moment if I ever heard one[18:13] <Fred> _02_heh, there's a 135gb torrent of MST3K; every episode but the first season[18:13] <Fred> _02_If I had the drive space I'd get it[18:13] <the_lorax> really? they must be compressed to buggery![18:13] <the_lorax> because I have about 60 of them, and it's taking up about 100 gb[18:13] <AgincourtDB> the MST3k DVDs are outrageously expensive[18:14] <Fred> _02_I've yet to buy one but I give them as gifts[18:14] <the_lorax> they have to get rights to the movies again. they didn't get the dvd rights when they made the show[18:14] <Fred> _02_people look wistful when they open them :)[18:14] <AgincourtDB> yeah[18:14] <Fred> _02_they don't even have broadcast rights to most of the movies any more[18:14] <AgincourtDB> its just, that's one of the series I'd like to collect, and I don't have a couple thousand dollars to spend on it[18:15] <the_lorax> now mao has a doctor suess hat[18:15] <vilstef> The Geriatricat in the Hat?[18:16] * the_lorax nods at vilstef[18:16] <the_lorax> the mass murderer in a hat[18:16] <Fred> _02_The Execution Channel The Execution Channel[18:16] <Fred> _02_Settling Accounts In at the Death (Settling Accounts) Settling Accounts In at the Death (Settling Accounts)[18:16] <Fred> _02_ecommended because you purchased Fleet of Worlds[18:16] <vilstef> History Channel Hitler Channel[18:17] <Fred> _02_The annoying thing is, they don't recommend any NIVEN[18:17] <vilstef> Do they recommend anything that's hard science fiction?[18:18] <the_lorax> if you order niven, they should recommend aliastar reynolds[18:18] <Fred> _02_no idea; I'm not familar with most of what they recommend[18:18] <Fred> _02_you'd think they'd try and sell me Niven and Pournelle at least[18:19] <vilstef> If you're of the demographic which will buy new Niven, maybe they figure you have lots of old Niven.[18:19] <the_lorax> i don't know how much figuring they do, and how much figuring that some brainless piece of software does.[18:19] <AgincourtDB> you cann add stuff to the list of what they look at to recommend you other stuff[18:20] <AgincourtDB> and take stuff off[18:23] <Fred> _02_yeah. it's very customizable. my account is tweaked within an inch of it's life[18:24] <Fred> _02_they also ask if everything you buy is a gift, and for whom. so it makes gift suggestions based on those as well.[18:25] <the_lorax> it's kind of an annoying idea really. I shop on the internet so I don't have to talk to shopkeepers ...[18:25] <the_lorax> ... and now the site bugs you about the same sort of thing.[18:25] <Fred> _02_lol, well, you can ignore all of it[18:30] <AgincourtDB> ok, maybe a shower will make me feel less sick[18:30] <AgincourtDB> so I'm going to take a shower[18:30] <AgincourtDB> bbiab[18:31] * AgincourtDB is now known as agin_bathe[18:31] <the_lorax> I see I'm not the only one who feels ill[18:31] <vilstef> OK, I might even be here in a bit.[18:31] <agin_bathe> yeah I have a head cold[18:31] <agin_bathe> since yesterday[18:31] <agin_bathe> darn babysitting[18:31] <the_lorax> same here. this sucks.[18:31] <agin_bathe> hehe[18:32] <agin_bathe> those kids are more crudded up than the monkey in outbreak[18:32] <vilstef> Where I'm at it's 75 degrees and about 70% humidity. I'm thinking of growing gills.[18:32] <agin_bathe> to steal a KEvin Smith line[18:32] <the_lorax> where are you at? it's been bright and sunny for about two weeks here[18:32] <the_lorax> must be a record[18:32] <vilstef> Des Moines Iowa[18:32] <the_lorax> ah. blackburn lancashire here[18:33] <the_lorax> the place with the 4000 holes in it[18:33] <vilstef> Cloudy & overcast, 3 days of solid rain this week.[18:33] <agin_bathe> how are those four thousand dammit somebody beat me to it[18:33] <the_lorax> heh [18:33] <vilstef> Do you really have a hole problem there?[18:33] <agin_bathe> biab[18:33] <the_lorax> yes.[18:33] <the_lorax> the place has loads of underground caverns under it [18:33] <vilstef> Coal mining way back when?[18:33] <the_lorax> so they were always getting holes in the street[18:34] <the_lorax> nope. i think they are natural[18:34] <vilstef> DM has lots of coal mines, long closed under our city.[18:34] <the_lorax> heh. in wales, they closed them all in the 80's now they want them back[18:34] <the_lorax> but they've built malls and shopping centres over them[18:35] <vilstef> Here in the US they literally take down mountains to get the coal.[18:36] <the_lorax> not many mountains here[18:36] <the_lorax> the place is in real trouble if this global warming pans out[18:37] <vilstef> In the Powder River region of Wyoming they do super industrial mining & have big, heavy trains hauling it out all the time.[18:37] <vilstef> About everywhere will be in real trouble if Global Warming pans out.[18:37] <the_lorax> i think you'd have less enviromental damage with nuclear[18:38] <the_lorax> yes. but the place i work is a dizzying five feet above sea level[18:38] <the_lorax> if that.[18:39] <vilstef> I'm in the central US and about 575 ft above sea level.[18:40] <the_lorax> i'm in central lancashire. that means there is sea 30mi to the east and 30 mi to the west[18:40] <vilstef> Five feet is a real 'how good are you at treading water' scenario.[18:41] <the_lorax> heh. my house is on the site of a hill. [18:41] <Fred> _02_TEN YEARS BEYOND BAKER STREET has a segment set in a Welsh coal mine[18:45] <the_lorax> what's "ten years beyond baker street"[18:46] <agin_bathe> back, cleaner[18:47] * the_lorax lungs are not happy. I think i've got lung fever[18:47] * agin_bathe is now known as Agincourtdb[18:47] <Fred> _02_Sherlock Holmes VS Fu Manchu[18:47] <Agincourtdb> vs Gamera[18:48] <the_lorax> heh. that sounds like a mst3k canidate[18:48] <Fred> _02_one of 2 later Fu books by Cay Van Ash[18:48] <Fred> _02_they're actually very good[18:48] <the_lorax> starting Christopher Lee[18:48] <Fred> _02_not even guilty pleasure material[18:48] <the_lorax> heh. is a book? I'll read it.[18:49] * Agincourtdb sings: Gamera is really neat! Gamera is fun to eat! We believe in Gam-er-a![18:50] <Fred> _02_lol, yes, 2 books. FIRES OF FU MANCHU and TEN YEARS BEYOND BAKER STREET. Both are Fu adventures; the latter brings Holmes out of retirement[18:52] <vilstef> I think my favorite Holmes pastiche is one called Sherlock Holmes and the Stalwart Companions. Which has a young Teddy Roosevelt filling the role of Watson.[18:53] <Fred> _02_I wanted a third Cay Van Ash book: THE LOST WORLD OF DR. FU MANCHU[18:53] <Fred> _02_it seems like such a natural![18:53] <the_lorax> moving downstairs. brb[18:57] * the_lorax has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer_)[18:58] * inferno has joined #knownspace[18:59] * inferno has quit IRC (Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com_)[19:02] <Agincourtdb> ping[19:04] * the_lorax has joined #knownspace[19:04] <Agincourtdb> ping[19:04] <the_lorax> back[19:04] <the_lorax> with another name change[19:04] <Agincourtdb> did the trees need you to speak for them?[19:05] <the_lorax> heh. funny story. i almost got arrested for cutting some trees down, on my own properity[19:05] <Agincourtdb> did the maples want more sunlight, and the oaks ignore their pleas?[19:05] <Agincourtdb> really?[19:05] <Agincourtdb> were they a protected species or something[19:05] <the_lorax> totally. [19:05] <the_lorax> nope. they were those big ass evergreen shrubs that everyone hates[19:06] <the_lorax> and they were knocking the retaining wall of my front garden down[19:06] <Fred> _02_then why?[19:06] <the_lorax> because i live in a preservation area, and I didn't get the permit[19:06] <the_lorax> which I didn't know I needed[19:06] <Agincourtdb> ahhh[19:07] <the_lorax> they tree police decided to blame the gypsy with the wild staring eyes who did the work[19:09] <Agincourtdb> hehe[19:15] <vilstef> See you all later. [19:15] <vilstef> Have to work at midnight & need to nail down a nap. [19:16] <the_lorax> good night vilstef[19:16] <vilstef> TTFN![19:16] * vilstef has quit IRC (Quit: *g0ne*_)[19:18] <Agincourtdb> Yeah, I'm out too, going to do some work[19:18] <Agincourtdb> if it starts jumping in here someone email the list[19:18] <Agincourtdb> pls[19:19] * Agincourtdb has quit IRC[19:19] * the_lorax has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer_)[19:19] * nick_danger has quit IRC (EOF from client_)[19:20] * the_lorax has joined #knownspace[19:21] * Bill has joined #knownspace[19:21] * nick_danger has joined #knownspace[19:21] <Bill> A sad good afternoon to you all.[19:21] <the_lorax> hi bill[19:22] <Bill> Frank left me with a project I didn't want to have to do, but now I have the obligation.[19:22] <the_lorax> project?[19:23] <Fred> _02_to tell us all that "Global Warming is a crock!"?[19:24] <Bill> He wanted me to make an urn for his ashes that looks like King Kong. (Typical Frank sense of humor, he wanted a clock in its stomach.) This was to go to LASFS, where it would proudly bear the inscriptions "PRESENT BUT NOT VOTING!" and "DEATH IS NO EXCUSE!" I guess they're LASFS in-jokes.[19:24] * the_lorax is laughing his ass off.[19:25] <Bill> THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED, LORAX![19:25] <the_lorax> i guess you'll just have to do it. it sounds like *exactly* what he would want[19:25] <Fred> _02_a furry urn[19:26] <the_lorax> i'm going to have the sad duty of extending the peggy gasperik page... which i didn't want to have to do either.[19:26] <Bill> He approved my early sketches ... but I'd do them with a bit more dignity than those early designs.[19:26] <the_lorax> a gorilla shaped furry urn with dignity[19:27] <Bill> I only met Peggy once, at the 84 Worldcon. But she made Frank's eyes glow, so I know they were happy.[19:28] <the_lorax> i remember meeting frank at a few cons. i don't remember peggy. lets face it, I was absolutely wasted.[19:28] <Bill> Well, you'd have to have seen my sketches, Lorax ... I added a placque that said, "Frank Gasperik, Who Gave Up Too Early." I would improve upon some of those aspects.[19:29] <Bill> Is there any way to upload graphics to this page?[19:29] <the_lorax> have you seen spike milligans grave? it says "I told you I was ill"[19:29] <the_lorax> well, if you email them to me I can quickly shove them online[19:29] <Bill> ROTFL! Ben Franklin's (I believe) says, "I am what you will be."[19:29] <Fred> _02_http://www.goantiques.com/scripts/images,id,558000.html[19:30] <Bill> I'm running a search for the images now.[19:32] <Bill> Peggy climed Frank's frame at that Worldcon ... "WHO IS THIS HOLDING YOUR GUITAR!!??" Frank told her I wrote Apollo XIII, her demeanor changed abruptly.[19:33] <Bill> That's "Climbed" ... my hands are cold. Sorry.[19:33] <the_lorax> heh. [19:34] <Fred> _02_if only the Earth would warm up a little![19:34] <Bill> Cold climbs make for misspelled "climbs" ...[19:34] <the_lorax> heh[19:34] <the_lorax> then there is the picture of uwe klein i found[19:34] <the_lorax> http://www.retrobbs.org/uwe.jpg[19:34] <Fred> _02_okay, here you go:[19:34] <Fred> _02_http://sorcerersworkshop.org/kongtankard.shtml[19:34] <the_lorax> because he always gets accused of being a nazi during arguements[19:35] <the_lorax> cool![19:36] <Bill> "Underneath this slab of grey LiesUncle Peter Daniels, Who too early in the month of May took off his winter flannels."[19:38] <Bill> Did Larry show up today? I've been a bit involved in trying to find some fire-able throwing clay in my adopted lil one-horse town.[19:39] <Fred> _02_http://www.henryart.org/image/cup-sized/gorillamugsm.jpg[19:39] <the_lorax> don't know. i've been in and out[19:40] <Fred> _02_I didn't come in 'til 2 hours ago. I haven't seen him.[19:40] <Lensman> I just got back.[19:41] <Fred> _02_all this talk of naps makes me crave one . . .[19:41] <Bill> Wow, did I find a treasure at the Dollar Store yesterday! The original Max and Dave Fleischer "Gulliver's Travels" feature, under an obnoxiously bad cover. A good clean print, too! Hi, Lens![19:41] <the_lorax> hey lensman[19:41] <the_lorax> thanks for those suggestions for the front page. i'll try to get that sorted soon[19:41] <Bill> Front page?[19:42] <Lensman> I've had two copies of Fleischman's GT, one VHS one DVD, and don't like either. Color is washed out. I'm sure there's a good DVD copy out there. Image and Bosco are best for the older stuff.[19:42] <the_lorax> of larryniven.org i want to move the text on the current page to the about page[19:42] <the_lorax> because it's really wordy and kind of doesn't belong there[19:43] <Bill> This one is astonishing, for a buck! I'm going into town tomorrow, I think I'll clean them out. [19:45] <Bill> Color saturation excellent, audio not perfect but not bad, and they left a gap of trailer at the reel change. Best I've seen in 20 years![19:45] <Lensman> I've been working on the subsidiary pages for the Concordance before I plunge into putting the actual Concordance entries up. Finagle the Bibliography is taking a lot of work! And not the main biblio charts, like I expected, but the Tables of Contents of the books. There's an AWFUL lot of formatting that needs to be done. *Sigh*[19:45] <Lensman> Bill, what company is that DVD from?[19:45] <the_lorax> that's a lot of work. how did you decide to lay it out in the end?[19:45] <Lensman> I bought the Good Times DVD and was not pleased.[19:46] <Lensman> Lay out what, the Biblio or the Concordance itself?[19:46] <the_lorax> the concordance. we were talking about the best way to do the pages[19:47] * CrazyEddy has quit IRC (Ping timeout_)[19:47] <Bill> Some outfit called Family Value Collection. It's a series of 2-hr DVDs of questionable quality, but I also accidentally found "Poop Deck Pappy" on one, you'd swear it was a digitally restored print. Worth a buck, anyway![19:47] <Lensman> For my level of skill, I think just having everything on one page so I can hyperlink to my heart's desire is best. Altho I plan on putting the story summaries on a separate page. Or even giving each its own page, I haven't decided yet.[19:48] <the_lorax> cool.[19:48] <the_lorax> i've got loads of work to do... but I can't bring myself to do it right now[19:49] <Bill> Search still running on Gorilla Frank ...[19:49] * Dan has joined #knownspace[19:49] <Bill> Greetings, DanSpace![19:49] <Dan> I just read today's list digests....[19:49] <the_lorax> hi dan[19:49] <Lensman> My SF club does a film fest every year. The previous two years we've done animation festivals, and I've always been on the film fest committee but was especially heavily involved as I'm a big animation fan with an extensive DVD library of short subjects. And yes, we were astonished as some of the dollar DVDs out there. Some of the prints they've used are in astonishingly good condition. Of course, others are most definitely NOT.[19:49] <Bill> Sad news all around[19:49] <Dan> Bill![19:50] <Lensman> So remind me, which was Frank's character in /Lucifer's Hammer/? I keep forgetting his name.[19:51] <Dan> BRB, I have to get a beer. I'm knackered from work today, then I come home to news of Frank's death.[19:51] <Lensman> He was the guy with a back problem riding a motorcycle cross-country, right?[19:51] <Bill> When I send you your signed print of "Speaker Hits The Brakes", I'll try to remember to send one of these, Lens. The cover art sucks big green eggs, but when I saw that 3D ship after the Paramount logo, I went nuts![19:52] <Dan> Yeah, Mark Cesu (sp?)[19:52] <Lensman> Mark Cesu! Thanks.[19:53] <Dan> My wife cried, and she only knew Frank as a character in my "nightwatch" novel and from my reading his e-mails aloud.[19:54] <Lensman> "Mark Czescu, biker" -- from the Dramatis Personae in my hardback signed by Niven & Pournelle at Denvention II in 1980 <Oh, Lensman is SUCH a braggart!>[19:54] <Bill> My little brother is hoping to place "200!: A Special Odyssey" on his home page shortly, and I'm trying to figure out how to send it to YouTube. I have a freebie account with YouSendIt, I may look into that.[19:54] <Dan> I knew I had misspelled it.[19:55] <Bill> You didn't misspell "misspelled", one of the most-often misspelled words at Spelling Bees ... ;D[19:56] <Dan> LOL![19:56] <Dan> I'm dislexic, I can misspell *anything* with impunity. LOL![19:56] <Lensman> Engrish been beddy beddy good to me. :-)[19:57] <Lensman> ainmyptuhniintgy?[19:58] <Bill> We need to talk about animated shorts, Lens. I've been into it all my life, only started actually making them in 1971. Do you remember a classic bit of silliness called "The Critic" ... not the new one, this was an Oscar winner with Mel Brooks doing a voice-over for an artsy piece of crap?[19:59] <Lensman> Not sure. I've been to a few Spike & Mikes' Animation Festivals, but I'm not sure if I saw that one.[20:00] <Bill> "Vot is dis? Ds is a grown man drawing cockaroaches? He could get a job! Fix a house! Build a shoe..." ROTFFLMFAO[20:00] <Lensman> There was a wonderful-looking silhouette thing based on Jules Verne's works that was an Oscar finalist a couple of years ago, I really wanted to get that for our second Animation fest but it had only very recently been released in Australia (where it was made IIRC) and there wasn't enuff time to get it, besides which imported DVDs are outrageously expensive.[20:01] <Lensman> Bill you have a PRIVATE MESSAGE[20:01] <Lensman> Speaking of cockroaches, check out "Franz Kafka's It's a Wonderful Life". Hilarious 25 minute short, very popular with the Laser Rangers.[20:02] <Bill> Somebody drew on blank 16mm film stock and Mel Brooks was dis lil Jewish old man making commentary ... "For dis you brought me to the cinema? Don't 'shush' me, I'm an old man< I'm gonna die soon..."[20:03] <Lensman> Bill, if you're using IRC you should see a quietly blinking rectangle near the top of your screen saying "Bill" beside it. That's the PM I send you.[20:04] <Bill> I see that I have a PM and I can read it, but even clicking on your name doesn't give me a response window[20:04] <Bill> No, JAVA[20:06] <Bill> Don't count on not getting it by then, I'm going to be at MisCon during ConQuesT *IF* I have money in hand from outstanding sources (I mean "outstanding" as in "WHERE'S MY MONEY, YOU THUGS?") and if I get paid before MisCon, you have mail coming.[20:06] <Lensman> Hey, anyone, can you PM with the Java client?[20:08] <Dan> Dunno, but Bill can double-click on your nickname and send PM back to you.[20:08] <Lensman> I wish I could have been in earlier but I had mandatory family affair to attend. :([20:09] <Bill> I shouldn't have used my 3D gorilla with the "Gorilla" word in the title so often ... Windows is searching through my animation files, and at 6-9 seconds a clip there are a *LOT* of files to paw through.[20:09] <Lensman> So just what was Frank's profession? I seem to recall someone saying he had contributed some calculations to one or more Niven stories?[20:10] <Bill> Frank was a meistersinger.[20:10] <Bill> Frank was an aerospace fanatic with experience, friends, and connections.[20:11] <Dan> Calculations, ideas, brainstorms, "local color"...[20:11] <Bill> Phrank was a PHAN![20:11] <Bill> brb[20:11] <Lensman> A trufan, certainly.[20:15] <Bill> Lens, for planning purposes: "Speaker" is 11x17" with about 4" added to both dimensions (2" matte around) and Larry signed them so they lay with the 21" side horizontal. (Just for planning purposes when you map your layout for the art show.)[20:17] <Bill> And once again, this has once again raised up, he did "not" say it was the most accurate representation of the Lyin' Bastid, he said I was the first one that showed the Fusion Disc Drives rotating up and down from the wing accurately.[20:18] <Bill> FYI and for the record.[20:20] <Lensman> Did I say Larry said that? Sorry for the mis-quote.[20:21] <Bill> (sigh) ... if a picture is worth 1,000 words, then computer animation is worth 30,000 words a second, and Windows is still feeding me gorilla animation frames. I've started a second search for "Frank" ... and begin to suspect it's all on my laptop anyway.[20:21] <Dan> It's a beautiful work of art anyway, Bill.[20:21] <Bill> I don't know that *you" did, Lens ... but "somebody" did and I want to set the record straight.[20:22] <Bill> Thanks, Dan.[20:23] <Dan> I but speak the truth.[20:23] * Dan grins.[20:23] <Lensman> A miniature of Bill's painting is proudly displayed at the front page of my Concordance, which hopefully will get some attention when I get it to the point it's fit for public consumption.[20:24] <Lensman> Speaking of art, does anyone here have any KS fan art I can use, or have any contacts with any of the artists whose work is displayed on the Known Space website?[20:24] <Dan> The cover you did for Aphelion has gotten come comments on our Lettercol, and at least one of our writers is hyperventelating over your offer to illustrate some stories.[20:24] <Bill> It's nice to hear. Now check out "Analog" in the coming year and tell Stan Schmidt if you like what you see there, too! (The stories are terrific, I hope my art is up to the challenge, but positive feedback increases my assignments.)[20:26] <Bill> KEWL, Dan! The offer stands![20:27] <Dan> I put it in my editorial, as well as some of the details of the series you proposed.[20:27] <Bill> Wait ... are you saying it's already out? I haven't heard about this ...[20:28] <Dan> Yeah, we went live with the May isssue about 2 AM Monday.[20:28] <Bill> (Nobody tells artists nuttin ...)[20:28] <Lensman> I made up a tiny little polygon /Liar/ to use as a graphic pointer at the Concordance website. I couldn't get the wing to be a color I liked, so I went back and looked at Bill's painting and imitated that. Now it looks like I ripped Bill off, but frankly I don't care. As the quote attributed to Picasso says: "Mediocre artists imitate. Great artists steal!"[20:29] <Dan> "isssue"??? OK, I pleade dislexia and two beers after a really hard day at work in the factory.[20:29] <Bill> And friends are welcome, Lens! You're 5)% responsible for the piece, anyway.[20:30] <Lensman> Thanx Bill![20:30] <Bill> ^50%^[20:30] <Lensman> No, 5%.[20:31] <Bill> You stand corrected, if you want yer bloody artwork, Lens.[20:31] <Dan> Artists always under-rate their own work. LOL![20:32] <Bill> I couldn't have made this without Lensman's kind help. And Niven loved it. [20:32] <Lensman> Mmmm okay. But I believe there's more than a slight discrepancy between the few minutes I spent doing a text search and copying bits of text from Ringworld, versus the no doubt days if not weeks you must have spend on that breathtaking painting.[20:32] <Bill> So, Dan, if I poke at Aphelion RTM, I see my cover?[20:33] <Lensman> Is Aphelion something we can all look at, or is it subscription-only?[20:33] <Bill> I think it's open-ended, Lens[20:34] <Lensman> A link, please?[20:34] <Dan> Lens, Aphelion is totally free and online. It's somewhat of a permanent floating Writer's workshop e-zine that I've been publishing for the last ten years.[20:34] * me has joined #knownspace[20:34] <Dan> www.aphelion-webzine.com[20:35] <Lensman> Thanx Dan.[20:35] <Dan> Hello, me.[20:35] <me> hi[20:35] <Bill> Oooh, nice! Thanks![20:37] <Bill> KEWL! I'm going to have some new reading tonight![20:37] <Bill> Hello, me.[20:37] <me> hi[20:38] <Lensman> Wow! I see you've used the same white-text-on-star-background I've used for my Concordance. But yours is obviously a professional job! Maybe someday I'll be able to do that well.[20:39] <Bill> I'm serious, Dan ... have your interested readers flesh out the stories, I'll throw illustrations together for you/them as I can manage.[20:39] <Dan> Lens, my computer guru did that new layout from a template he found. Aphelion has always used a starfield background for the table of contents page, though.[20:39] <Bill> Lens, what are you seeing?[20:39] <Lensman> Some REALLY nice covers there in the Aphelion gallery. Are any of the older ones yours, Bill?[20:40] <Bill> Nope, this is my first[20:40] <Dan> Bill, I made sure to tell them that you'll only work from *completed* stories.[20:40] <Bill> Of many, I hope. It's a good zine![20:40] <Lensman> Bill: What means "What are you seeing?"[20:40] * Dan blushes.[20:41] <Bill> You must be talking about interior illos, Lens. The cover is full color.[20:41] <Lensman> Oh, I'm looking at the Aphelion website of course, and your painting Bill. I don't know your work well enuff to have recognized it. Wish I could see it without the text. Is a larger version posted online anywhere?[20:42] <Bill> Negatory, not at the moment. Dan and company are talking about a potential gallery as a special feature, though.[20:42] <Dan> I'll be putting a larger version online on a page dedicated to Bill's series idea. But that page hasn't been composed yet.[20:42] <Lensman> I'm talking about the Table of Contents with the white text on black background. And also talking about Bill's cover painting. Sorry for the non-sequiturs, that's a bad habit of mine.[20:44] <Bill> Bad habits don't include offering creative outlets, Dan. Better find another phrase for what you do.[20:44] <Dan> Bill deliberatly tweaked my ego when he named the two Mars Explorer craft "Aphelion One" and "Aphelion Two."[20:44] <Lensman> Me Lensman... him Dan. :-)[20:45] * Dan laughs.[20:45] <Bill> No kidding, this Fleischer "Gulliver's Travels" is the best print I've seen since the 1960's.[20:45] <Dan> Aphelion isn't a bad habit, it's a full-blown addiction![20:45] <Lensman> So what's the name of the company who put out the DVD?[20:46] <Bill> "Family Value Collection" is all I can find, Lens.[20:46] <Lensman> All the time I've spent on my Concordance website since Larry gave me the okay *feels* like an addiction! Hope I don't get burnt out just putting up this first section.[20:46] <Dan> Oooooo! I think I have that version in my DVD collection.[20:46] <Lensman> Oh, you said that, sorry.[20:46] <Bill> It's a slimline case with OBNOXIOUSLY BAD ART on the cover.[20:47] <Dan> Lens, as long as you keep loving doing it, you'll never get burnt out.[20:47] <Lensman> I figured it was a slimline case. All those $1 DVDs use those.[20:48] <Lensman> In fact, I've gotten 2-3 which were in cardboard sleeves.[20:48] <Bill> I did artwork for Bjo Trimble's original (well, second-season supplement) of the Trek concordance. One of my original drawings ended up in the Ballantine Books version (of course, it was the worst of the lot)[20:48] <Bill> 1976 ... dayum, I must be approaching middle-age![20:49] <Dan> Aren't we all?[20:49] <Bill> It beats the alternative, Lens.[20:49] <Lensman> Do you mean third-season supplement? The first edition of the Trek Concordance was one volume with the first two seasons, and a supplement for the third season.[20:49] <Lensman> BTW you just dated youself there, Bill...[20:50] <Bill> Sorry, you're right ... dayum, I *MUST* be approaching middle age![20:50] <Lensman> Oh, I see my comment was redundant. (So what else is new?) :-)[20:50] <Lensman> But then, I dated myself too, didn't I?[20:51] <Bill> The "Mira Romaine" in the Ballantine SUCKED! If I could have chosen any of about a dozen illos I did in the 3S Supplement, that would've been my last choice.[20:52] <Bill> I prefer dating myself to dating women these days. I'm seriously convinced that the next time I get a wild hair upp my butt that marriage is a good idea, I'm just going to randomly select some bitch who hates me offg the street and buy her a house.[20:52] * Dan has quit IRC (Ping timeout_)[20:52] <Lensman> The Ballantine edition was very strange. The first printing had that strange cardboard wheel on the cover, which was an awful choice for a reference book, being so fragile. I lost that over the years. The new small-press version actually looks quite professional, altho unfortunately most of the fan art has been replaced by crude computer drawings. :-([20:53] * the_lorax has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer_)[20:53] <Bill> I never even got a contributor's copy of the Ballantine version. (sigh)[20:54] <Lensman> Well I guess every *true* artist has to have an unhappy life or they don't get inspired. Sorry, Bill.[20:54] * me has quit IRC (Quit: *g0ne*_)[20:54] <Lensman> Was it something I said? <g>[20:54] * me has joined #knownspace[20:54] <Bill> Too bad you don't have your old one ... I'd happily sign it for you when we do eventually meet. (Say, Tuckercon?)[20:55] <Lensman> Unfortunately being unemployed I can't afford out-of-town conventions.[20:55] <Bill> Hi again, me! I wondered where I'd gone when we found out me wasn't here. Where have I been, anyway?[20:57] <Bill> That's something I'm gonna miss ... --GONE++++ ... Frank's Flash Gordon rocketship.[20:57] * Dan has joined #knownspace[20:57] <Lensman> What does that mean? The rocketship.[20:58] <Dan> Grrrrrrr.... My home ISP is for crap.[20:58] <Bill> I tip an elbow to absent friends. Here's to Frank Gasperik, to Frank Freas, to Ted Sturgeon, to Bob & Ginny Heinlein...[20:58] <Dan> Hear, hear![20:58] <Lensman> Yah.[20:58] <Lensman> To all those who've gone to that great fannish enclave in the sky.[20:59] <Lensman> The eternal convention, or the biggest slan shack ever, take your pick.[20:59] <Bill> Felix told me that his "Gone" logo is Flash Gordon's rocketship flying from right to left ... --GONE+++[21:00] <Bill> Nose probe, bulbous prow, fuselage, tail feathers and +++flames[21:00] <Lensman> An ASCII text crawl perhaps? Not anything I see in mIRC, I don't think.[21:00] <Lensman> Doesn't sound like ASCII art...[21:01] <Bill> -- is the nose probe, G is the prow with windows .... you'll get it, stare at it for a while.[21:02] <Lensman> Unless the "tail feathers" are »[21:02] * Dan has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer_)[21:03] <Lensman> Oh, sorry, "GONE" literally is the rocket ship? Well you've got that artistic imagination, I don't.[21:03] <Bill> I just watched "J-Men Forever" again the other night ... hilarious stuff, but when one of the Moon Men comes out of the Gasperik rocketship and one of the thugs says, "Hey, ain't that Leonard Nimoy?" I just about had a hernia. It was Leonard, of course.[21:04] <Lensman> And what is "J-Men Forever" ?[21:04] <Bill> You familiar with "The Firesign Theater"?[21:05] <Lensman> A bit, I never cottened to their stuff. But that's mostly audio-only isn't it?[21:06] <Bill> Audio-only, yes ... but bizarre enough that I think they won a Hugo for "I Think We're All Bozos On This Bus"[21:07] <Lensman> That's the one my ex-girlfriend got me to listen do. *Shrug* What can I say? Didn't work for me. I *did* enjoy the video production I saw about the Kudzu cult.[21:08] <Lensman> Several of my friends think FT is as funny as Monty Python. To each his own.[21:09] <Lensman> But you said "watched". Is "J-Men Forever" a Firesign Theatre video, or just the same sort of humor? And is it an original production, or is it a new audio track for an old probably-not-so-great film?[21:10] <Bill> Two of the troupe (which their body of work is worth looking up, (George Carlin has their library at Laugh.com), but Proctor and Bergman bought a bunch of Repulic serials and clipped them together into a thing called "J-Men Forever" and it's a huge counterculture cult fave. Silly as hell, but well worth a watch. Do you remember "Mad Movies"? Kinda like that ... reminiscent of Woody Allen's "What's Up Tiger Lily?" ... redubbing a weird bit of cinema with an e[21:11] <Lensman> This sounds like the sort of thing we should be showing in the ConQuesT video room.[21:12] <Bill> Which is why I mentioned it. I not only build these things, I appreciate them from other demented minds.[21:12] <Lensman> I see run time is 73 minutes. Not a short subject, then.[21:12] <Lensman> No doubt you've seen "Troops" and "George Lucas in Love" ?[21:13] * Dan has joined #knownspace[21:13] <Bill> It made it to cable TV, I don't remember the channel but it was something line TNT.[21:13] <Bill> Dan, help me out here ... do you remember "J-Men Forever"?[21:13] <Dan> Arrrrrgh! I hate Alltel![21:14] <Lensman> I actually am the proud owner of a DVD-quality version of "Troops". It was a short on the short-lived "Total Movie" magazine which came with a DVD. Those DVDs are now going for big bucks on E=bay now, I hear.[21:14] <Lensman> What's Alltel?[21:14] <Bill> "All I have to do is find this mansion ...(sees Stately Wayne Manor) ... Ahhh, MANSION ACXCOMPLISHED!"[21:15] <Dan> My local phone company, which is also my DSL provider. Or LACK of provider, in tonight's case.[21:15] <Bill> Now, "TROOPS" I have ... but where can I lay a hand on I.M.P.S.?[21:16] <Bill> And TROOPS is *BRILLIANT*! I bow to superior capabilities![21:17] <Lensman> http://www.impstherelentless.com/tek9.asp[21:17] * Dan hands Bill an ice-cold glass of Irish Mist.[21:17] <Bill> Wow, that's too kewl ... I made the cover of Aphelion![21:18] <Bill> Thank you, Dan![21:18] <Dan> Made, in several senses of the word.[21:18] <Bill> *blush*[21:19] <Bill> back at ya[21:19] <Dan> I'm now on the laptop, which means that I have access to my bartending script again.[21:19] <Bill> WE NEED TO BUILD A FRANK GASPERIK DRINK![21:20] <Bill> Bitter on occasion, so a splash of Campari.[21:20] <Lensman> Speaking of good Star Wars parodies, have you seen this?[21:20] <Lensman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKz06vFWjsc[21:20] <Dan> That's simple, just combine elements that take your breath away and leave you feeling better than you did before you experienced the drink.[21:22] <Bill> No, or yes, Lens, but I don't want to break my fragile link with the chat now that I'm here. I'll look at it in a bit.[21:22] <Lensman> Well, I like Larry's idea (I think it was Larry's) of making your own on-the-spot "winter wine" by putting dry ice in the cup and letting it freeze out some of the water...[21:22] <Bill> Have you all seen "Pink Five" and all of its permutations?[21:22] <Dan> LOL![21:23] <Dan> Never seen that, Bill.[21:23] <Lensman> Not all of Pink Five. I thought the first two episodes were hilarious but the third drug on and I haven't seen any further.[21:24] <Lensman> It's too bad Pink Five is only available as low-res video. I'd love to show the 1st two parts to Laser Rangers, but not at that resolution![21:24] * me has quit IRC (Quit: *g0ne*_)[21:25] <Bill> I have a jug of Dollar Store Apple Juice (with a pinch of Baker's Yeast) sitting in my windowsill as we speak. When the apple and the honey run out for the yeasties, I'm putting the jug in my freezer, then I'll drain what didn't freeze out of the ice. It makes *EXCELLENT* apple honey brandy, gents and/or ladies, I still don't know who "me" is.[21:26] <Lensman> The You Tube link is for the Emperor/Darth Vader phone call re the destruction of the Death Star. If you haven't seen it, copy that link and watch it later![21:26] <Bill> I'm copying links as we go, Lens.[21:27] <Lensman> One of my younger friends pointed me towards "Robot Chicken". Several (all?) episodes at You Tube, some quite hilarious.[21:27] <Dan> That ought to be good. Bothe the drink *and* the video.[21:27] <Bill> I also need a quick biobreak. BRB, all.[21:27] <Bill> Who wants to add something to the "Phrank" drink?[21:28] <Dan> Robot Chicken I've liked most bits that I've seen.[21:28] <Lensman> This would be a good time for me to release hydraulic fluid, also.[21:28] <Lensman> Regarding mixed drinks: Sorry, since I don't "drink" I can't contribute knowledgably.[21:30] <Dan> I'd recommend a Southern Comfort base, to build the drink upon.[21:31] <Bill> (Back) ... SOUTHERN COMFORT!!?? Please tell me that's a joke on your part ...[21:32] <Dan> Not really, I found it to be quite tasty, with a splash of lime jusce abd a dash of itters.[21:33] <Lensman> I'm going to multi-task for a bit.[21:33] <Bill> Frank wouldn't come close to that on a bet ... and Campari (which he would) and SC ... I hate to imagine that coming back to revisit later.[21:33] <Dan> Grrrr... Not dislexia that time. I'm not used to the laptop's keyboard.[21:34] <Bill> I like Yukon Jack with tonic and lime (as a chaser) but Southern Comfort ... You're gonna have to prove it to me in person someday, Mr. Dan. [21:35] <Bill> Maybe because I got sick as a dog on SC at my Navy Ball ...[21:35] <Bill> It jes don' taste the same coming back[21:35] <Dan> Well, I'm throwing a party here next Saturday, Bill. You going to be anywhere in the south anytime soon?[21:37] <Bill> The closest I expect to be to the South is Tuckercon ... the NasFiC. I'd be delighted to run into you there ... I should be easy enough to find, my first Best Man, Roger Tener, is the TM. Find him, you'll find me.[21:37] <Dan> Sean is planning on driving down from Kentucky, and some of the Aphelion people will be here.[21:38] <Dan> I'm afraid my next con will be LibertyCon in Chattanooga in late July. My wife and I are going.[21:39] <Bill> Dan, I live in Central Washington, a lil town called Ellensburg. You're a little out of my walking distance (Well, actually, you're *not*, but I don't have that much time on my hands right now.)[21:39] <Bill> :)[21:39] <Dan> Gack! Washington state is a looooooong way away from here. LOL![21:40] <Bill> Just milliseconds. Watch![21:40] <Bill> ;)[21:40] <Bill> Sorry, couldn't find my keyboard[21:41] <Bill> That would have been milliseconds...[21:41] <Dan> Well, we are planning to wireless the laptop and plug a webcam into it. Some of the Aphelion folks want to join us online while we party here.[21:41] <Bill> DO YOU SKYPE?[21:41] <Dan> Probably on Yahoo IM and MS IM.[21:42] <Dan> I do, but haven't added it to the laptop yet. I Skype from the desktop, thanks to Sean - who talked me into getting the program.[21:43] <Dan> I should add it to the laptop, though.[21:43] <Dan> BRB, time for my 4th beer....[21:44] <Bill> No, I mean, do you have members with paid subscriptions to SKYPE? I'm setting up a George Jetson link between my friends at ConQuesT in Kansas City and the convention I'm going to be at in Missoula. MT over Memorial Day, and SKYPE makes that possible. I have a working webcam and a free long distance via-internet account witH SKYPE, we might hook up?[21:45] <Bill> Sean and I did link briefly ... and I had to take a biobreak and we lost it and never tried again.[21:46] <Dan> What's the date for that? I have the free Skype account, but not a paid one.[21:47] <Bill> The paid one works for video ... the free one works anytime. MisCon is going to be Memorial Day Weekend, typical con schedule. I'm working with the convention now to figure out schedules, but ConQuesT is all over it ... "Sister City Conventions", as it were. [21:48] <Bill> How would you like to be in on the "Electronic Publishing Panel"? if it can be arranged?[21:48] <Dan> I'll be back at work that weekend, on nights. So I'll either be asleep or at work.[21:49] <Bill> I don't know when the panels happen ... an hour in the afternoon sometime, is that do-able?[21:50] <Dan> I've got Skype fired up at the moment. Under the nick vilaresthal.[21:50] <Dan> May 26th & 27th?[21:50] <Bill> How classic ...? Electronic publishing, attended from the deep SouthEast bu an electronic publisher ...?[21:51] * Agincourtdb has joined #knownspace[21:52] <Agincourtdb> checking in[21:52] <Dan> Hello, Agincourtdb![21:52] <Agincourtdb> hi Dan[21:52] <Bill> I'm talking to you on a tower that burnt the sound card out in January, and my cling to this page via Internet Exploder is tenuous at best. I'll copy that info and try it after I get out of the chat. Agincourt, greetings! Welcome to the wake.[21:53] <Agincourtdb> hey Bill[21:53] <Agincourtdb> I was in earlier for a while[21:53] <Agincourtdb> sound cards are way cheap[21:53] <Bill> I was late. Well, not late like that.[21:54] * Agincourtdb is eating a cupcake'[21:56] <Bill> We're discussing (among other things) the ingredients for a Drink named after Frank. Any singular suggestions?[21:56] <Agincourtdb> Motor Oil ;-)[21:56] <Agincourtdb> from a harley[21:57] <Bill> What brand?[21:57] <Bill> (PLEASE not PENNZOIL!)[21:57] <Agincourtdb> no idea\[21:59] <Bill> OK, we have Southern Comfort, Campari, and 10-W-30 (or best recommendation from Harley Davidson.) This doesn't sound completely toxic yet but it's approaching that limit.[21:59] <Dan> Oooooo! I've got 4 different cans of a Harly Davison brand beer.[21:59] <Bill> Probably more like 30W50 ...[22:00] <Dan> Never been opened.[22:00] <Bill> Good substitute, Dan! SC, Campari, and HD STOUT![22:01] <Dan> LOL![22:01] <Bill> Now we're getting somewhere ...[22:02] <Bill> Peggy would've had a wine cooler or spritzer, unless my memory is shot. ((SHUT UP, I ALREADY KNOW THAT. er, knew that. I think...)[22:04] <Bill> And a chaser of laughter, fine camaraderie, and uncountable filksongs, amen.[22:04] <Dan> Amen.[22:05] <Bill> meistersinger. Entertainer par excellence. I tip my hat (and my beer) to you, ol' buddy ... Here's to Frank![22:06] * Dan raises his glass in toast to Frank![22:07] <Bill> Not to steal your line, Lens ... but "Clear Aether!"[22:07] <Bill> "You picked a bad time to leave me, Fay Wray ..." ... LOL[22:08] <Dan> You keep that up ans someone will start quoting Rocky Horror next. LOL![22:09] <Agincourtdb> I'm trembling with antic[22:09] <Agincourtdb> ipation[22:11] <Bill> Not Rocky Horror ... Don't you know the filk? "You pivked a bad time to leave me Fay Wray --New York's in an uproar there's planes on their way -- we seen some bad times and been through some sad times but always thought we'd see our day -- you picked a bad time to leave me Fay Wray..."[22:11] <Agincourtdb> i don't know any filk[22:12] <Bill> Frank used to sing one of mine to the astronauts who lived through the adventure.[22:12] <Dan> I've written a some filk, but that one never occured to me.[22:13] <Bill> AND HE GOT IT RIGHT![22:14] <Bill> It's funny as hell, Dan ... Filthy Pierre may still be in business. BUY HIS BOOK, if it's available.[22:15] <Bill> A difinitive hymnal of filksingery if ever there was one.[22:18] <Bill> Sorry, for those of you I was going to upload the GorillaFrank images, they are apparently on the other computer. I will pm my email to any of you who don't already have it if you'd like to see, once I transfer them (the laptop isn't talking to the web right now.)[22:18] <Dan> Here's one... Hope I don't get flood-kicked...[22:19] <Dan> A fine little girl[22:19] <Dan> Explored with me[22:19] <Dan> A Ring in space[22:19] <Dan> So far away[22:19] <Dan> Our friend, a Kzin[22:19] <Dan> Came with us[22:19] <Dan> And a Puppeteer[22:19] <Dan> Named Nessus...[22:19] <Dan> Oh Louie, Louie-[22:19] <Dan> Wu gotta go...[22:19] <Dan> And everybody sing now,[22:19] <Dan> Louie, Louie-[22:19] <Dan> Wu gotta go...[22:19] <Dan> We explored the Ring[22:19] <Dan> So far away[22:19] <Dan> And we barely made[22:19] <Dan> Our escape[22:19] <Dan> We left Teela behind[22:19] <Dan> At her bequest[22:19] <Dan> And we wished to her[22:19] <Dan> The very best[22:19] * Dan has quit IRC (Excess Flood_)[22:19] * Dan has joined #knownspace[22:19] <Dan> I got flood-kicked! LOL![22:21] <Bill> Do you know how close "Louie-Louie" came to being oficially adopted as the Washington State Song??[22:21] <Dan> Never heard that.[22:21] <Bill> IT WAS CLOSE![22:22] <Bill> Well, it *sounded* like it was close in the news reports...[22:22] <Dan> LOL![22:22] <Bill> I VOTED FOR IT![22:23] <Bill> The people pushing for it said, "You can't understand it, you can't understand the politicians, it's perfect! [22:24] <Dan> I would have too.[22:24] <Bill> "We godda go" is the only bit that made any sense.[22:25] <Dan> I looked up the official lyrics online before I wrote that one.[22:26] <Bill> Speaking of "we godda go", I hear that YET ANOTHER frontier town in Tornado Alley was wiped from the face of the earth today.[22:27] <Dan> Yeah, the TV news had that showing all day today on the set in the breakroom at work.[22:28] <Bill> People lost sight of their founding fathers when they started building bigger things than sod huts on the Kansas prairies...[22:29] <Bill> Kansas may not have been flattened in a day ... BUT IT CAN BE IN PLACES![22:29] <Dan> Folks out there ought to look into building concrete dome homes and underground homes, too.[22:29] <Bill> I speak from experience, BTW ... I was born there.[22:31] <Bill> I've been pushing for domes forever! With a little earth-berming engineering involved, the heat pulse cools you all summer and heats you all winter.[22:31] <Dan> Monolithic Domes has some great designs.[22:32] <Bill> Of course, you get better effect in the warmer climes ... here in the Northwest, we don't get the sunpower you do down there.[22:33] <Dan> Well, when the foot-thick concrete walls give you R-100+ insulating value and zero drafts, any tiny heat source will work wonders.[22:36] <Agincourtdb> you're your own heat source in a room like that[22:36] <Agincourtdb> plus, it makes for a great recording studio ;-)[22:37] <Agincourtdb> at least with sound absorption on the interior surfaces[22:37] <Dan> LOL[22:37] <Bill> True, Dan, but up here there's still an air circulation value that has *HAS* to be considered... unlike you, we have to consider being buried in snow for some considerable period of time. It gives us a thrifty look at resources, some of which include stuff like air.[22:37] <Agincourtdb> only a foot thick, you'll still get some low frequency from outside[22:38] <Agincourtdb> truck rumble[22:39] <Bill> Agin says "truck rumble", when I feel that nowadays I think "Mt. Rainier."[22:39] <Agincourtdb> lol yeah[22:39] <Agincourtdb> that too[22:39] <Bill> Bad booh-booh. I'm in the path when THAT lil baby pops a pimple.[22:39] <Agincourtdb> "let's cut... that take was ruined by the eruption..."[22:40] <Bill> LOL[22:41] <Agincourtdb> "hey, let's take the portable out and get an audio sample of the lava bubbling..."[22:42] <Bill> If any of you get up here to the PNW, please do yourselves a favor and SEE Mt. St. Helens ... those lovely little movies youy've seen don't give you an idea how BIG this event as, you really owe it to yourself to see this.[22:42] <Dan> When I feel the ground quiver and hear a low-pitched rumble that seems to go on forever, I just think "Dad's got the tractor out and is clearing the soot out of the turocharger again..."[22:42] <Agincourtdb> i loved those pics from when stuff started growing again[22:43] <Bill> Ghod Nose, Agincourt, you need binocs to see the bottom of the valley from Johnston Ridge. It's breathtaking ...[22:45] <Bill> I have found a new fascination for the victims of Pompeii and Herculaneum ... they couldn't believe they were in danger if they were that far away ... wow ...[22:45] <Bill> Not far at all[22:45] <Bill> Just 30 miles[22:46] <Dan> That's practally walking distance.[22:46] <Bill> ("Big badda boom! Bad, bad-da BOOM!")[22:47] <Dan> 5th Element.[22:47] <Agincourtdb> gary oldman[22:48] <Bill> Not over this terrain today, Dan. But it's inspirational. (And not Gary Oldan, it was Milla.)[22:48] <Agincourtdb> must be Michael taking off ;-)[22:48] <Agincourtdb> true[22:49] <Agincourtdb> speaking of volcanos http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_815.html[22:50] <Bill> Damn, Oldman blows my mind every time I see him ... he's -- what -- as Brit as he can be, but I don't think I've ever seen him but what he palys an American with a regional accent?Continue to Part 2