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Jul 07 11:16:37 <BillWarren> Good Morning, Known Space!
Jul 07 11:18:27 <BillWarren> Hmmm ... maybe I'm too early for y'all.
Jul 07 11:20:08 <BillWarren> Well, that's OK, I'll check back in a while. I have good news!
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Jul 07 12:39:11 <NickE> hi. V early check in. Will be around full time from about 8pm UK time
Jul 07 12:40:16 <NickE> back later with booze for toasting
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Jul 07 12:49:54 <senax> Hello!
Jul 07 12:50:38 <senax> Just installed a new IRC client and wanted to make sure it was working OK.
Jul 07 12:51:50 <senax> I'll stop by later...bye.
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Jul 07 13:11:39 <BillWarren> Good morning, Known Space! Is anybody home yet?
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Jul 07 13:23:11 <NickE> Back for a little bit
Jul 07 13:23:18 <NickE> Hey Bill
Jul 07 13:23:38 <BillWarren> Good morning! (At least, Central Washington time.)!
Jul 07 13:24:01 <NickE> 's about 620pm here in teh UK
Jul 07 13:24:09 <NickE> 6.20
Jul 07 13:24:32 <NickE> And teh sun is shining for the forst time in seems liek weeks
Jul 07 13:24:52 <NickE> and my typing is up to its usual standard :-)
Jul 07 13:24:57 <BillWarren> I figured. Nobody else is poking in. How're things in -- oops, you answered me already!
Jul 07 13:25:36 <NickE> I checked in about an hout ago to see who was around, was very quiet. It'll pick up
Jul 07 13:26:13 <BillWarren> Since it's slow, I'd like your opinion of my new website (still under construction) -- it includes some Frank Gasperik news. You game?
Jul 07 13:26:19 <NickE> Gonna have to go feed the hordes sometime soon, but will be around full time from about 8pm our time
Jul 07 13:26:40 <NickE> I'm up for that. Was gonna ask abot progress on the Frank front anyway
Jul 07 13:26:56 <NickE> lay the url on me :-)
Jul 07 13:27:25 <BillWarren> Please don't hate me for the pun, but I'm delighted I got it: www.WarrenPiece.com
Jul 07 13:27:37 <NickE> LOL! classic
Jul 07 13:27:58 <BillWarren> Thank you, sir!
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Jul 07 13:29:29 <BillWarren> Links on the "What's New" page will take you to the "Reader's Digest" version and the full-up Reliquary Pages. (2 so far)
Jul 07 13:31:09 <NickE> checking
Jul 07 13:32:37 <BillWarren> Fank and Clay are one: I have met and made plans with the people who'll be firing him: the sculpting is underway.
Jul 07 13:33:33 <BillWarren> And my target for completion is by my birthday in October and I hope for delivery and unveiling in Los Angeles on his birthday, November 5
Jul 07 13:34:30 <BillWarren> Tha should have said "Frank" ... my typing isn't so good, too.
Jul 07 13:36:21 <BillWarren> Tha should have said "that" ... nuts, I wish I could adjust the pressure sensitivity on this keypad.
Jul 07 13:37:45 <NickE> Ah, so he's mixed good and proper. Must say, I loved that you added some good whiskey. He'd have appreciated that I'm sure :-)
Jul 07 13:38:29 <BillWarren> He wasn't drinking a lot in later days, but I owed him some fine old single-malt!
Jul 07 13:39:03 <BillWarren> Glad you approve.
Jul 07 13:40:12 <BillWarren> I apologize that the page is a bit rough around the edges right now, but I hope you'll pass the url around. The more the merrier!
Jul 07 13:43:04 <NickE> bookmarked. I'll be checking. There's some very inetersting stuff there Bill
Jul 07 13:43:31 <BillWarren> Thank you, I want it to be interesting and fun.
Jul 07 13:46:50 <BillWarren> And I want people to laugh a lot. Hopefully where they're intended to, not at my HTML skills, if you know what I mean.
Jul 07 13:47:31 <NickE> Aye. Still cant believe nobody had taken warrenpiece.com!
Jul 07 13:47:55 <BillWarren> Neither could I. Just lucky, I guess.:)
Jul 07 13:48:38 <NickE> shiny
Jul 07 13:49:10 <NickE> brb
Jul 07 13:50:10 <BillWarren> Now I need to find some sponsors so I can make a little money from it. (Prismacolor/Berol Pencils, Badger Airbrush, etc. et al)
Jul 07 13:50:41 <BillWarren> Wouldn't hurt for me to sell some prints of my art, either ...
Jul 07 13:59:55 <BillWarren> Quick bio-break on my end of the connection, I'll BRB too...
Jul 07 14:15:55 <NickE> K. entering the crazy time (feeding 5 kids, one of whom has just decided she's a veggie, taking one back home to his parents, then feeding us and cracking a beer around 8pm I guess. Later
Jul 07 14:22:24 <BillWarren> I may be around for a while yet, but was up all night ... we'll see.
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Jul 07 14:26:01 <UncleNasty> IA! IA!
Jul 07 14:26:58 <UncleNasty> CTHULHU F'HTAGN!, etc
Jul 07 14:27:43 <NickE> Hi Neil
Jul 07 14:27:54 <UncleNasty> How goes it, Nick?
Jul 07 14:28:01 <NickE> Gonna be in and out a bit
Jul 07 14:28:12 <UncleNasty> probably same here
Jul 07 14:28:27 <NickE> Not too bad, Got the old bike thru its MOT toady and its not raining for a change :-)
Jul 07 14:28:48 <UncleNasty> sweet
Jul 07 14:29:04 <UncleNasty> used enjoy the roads up around Buxton in staffordshire
Jul 07 14:29:15 <UncleNasty> cat & fiddle was a bit tricky, but fun
Jul 07 14:29:20 <NickE> oh is nice round there
Jul 07 14:29:26 <BillWarren> Hi, Neil! I'm bein in-n-out too.
Jul 07 14:29:27 <NickE> So Ive heard
Jul 07 14:29:32 <UncleNasty> Hi Bill
Jul 07 14:29:41 <UncleNasty> sorry if i'm disconnected today
Jul 07 14:29:47 <UncleNasty> had a bit of a crazy week
Jul 07 14:29:56 <NickE> know the feeling
Jul 07 14:30:08 <UncleNasty> had a bad reaction to meds and spent thursday on O2 & saline to flush
Jul 07 14:30:13 <NickE> nothing to traumatibc I hope
Jul 07 14:30:17 <BillWarren> 'sokay, I'm on pain meds. Disconnected from fingers.
Jul 07 14:30:18 <NickE> Ouch
Jul 07 14:30:44 <UncleNasty> i am, according to the ER doc, never, ever to take NSAIDs again
Jul 07 14:30:58 <NickE> ?
Jul 07 14:31:20 <UncleNasty> stronger versions of ibuprofen
Jul 07 14:31:23 <UncleNasty> and similar
Jul 07 14:31:24 <NickE> ah
Jul 07 14:31:35 <UncleNasty> arthrotec, naproxen, celebrex, etc
Jul 07 14:31:45 <UncleNasty> usually given for arthritis pain
Jul 07 14:32:26 <BillWarren> Is arthritis the issue, Unka N?
Jul 07 14:33:02 <UncleNasty> nah - got diagnosed with epididymitis in jan - wrong diagnosis, not sure what it is yet and I have been in pain for 6 months
Jul 07 14:33:06 <UncleNasty> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epididymitis
Jul 07 14:33:17 <UncleNasty> warning graphic content
Jul 07 14:33:31 <UncleNasty> sez the man stoned brainless on oxycodone
Jul 07 14:33:59 <NickE> Ow. Know waht that is from teh name
Jul 07 14:34:35 <NickE> take it they've checked for the obvious like TC
Jul 07 14:34:49 <UncleNasty> site si same, but they've tried me on several broad spec ABs with no effect and every anti-inflammatory has had a bad reaction
Jul 07 14:34:52 <UncleNasty> yah - no cancer
Jul 07 14:34:57 <UncleNasty> they even tested me for TB
Jul 07 14:35:02 <UncleNasty> as in tuberculosis
Jul 07 14:35:17 <UncleNasty> despite the fact I was vaccinated for TB in '76
Jul 07 14:35:30 <BillWarren> Me some too on that ... under the generic "vicodin" ... managed to break my ankle a few weeks ago.
Jul 07 14:36:03 <UncleNasty> got fed up with specialist they sent me to after the TB thing - takes 2 months to culture a TB test, you know...
Jul 07 14:36:20 <UncleNasty> it just aqbout hits the pain but still leaves me concious
Jul 07 14:36:23 <NickE> yeah
Jul 07 14:36:56 <UncleNasty> so, after 6 months I finally found out where my second referral would be and went and camped in his office until he would see me
Jul 07 14:37:03 <NickE> npt so goo at all. Hope it gets sorted ssoner rather than later
Jul 07 14:37:06 <UncleNasty> the look on his face was classic
Jul 07 14:37:26 <NickE> typing crap, have not even had a drink to blame @:-)
Jul 07 14:37:48 <UncleNasty> you know when you can see that what someone was expecting to find is entirely not what they found, but they were willing to stake their professional reputation on it being so?
Jul 07 14:38:11 <NickE> Gotta go drop a child off home, then eats. Yeah, I get that
Jul 07 14:38:18 <NickE> brb in a bit
Jul 07 14:38:19 <UncleNasty> i could see he was just gonna say "Oh yes, it's blahblahblah take two of these and feck off"
Jul 07 14:38:23 <UncleNasty> np nick
Jul 07 14:38:48 <UncleNasty> then he has an examination and stands back with such a confused look on his face
Jul 07 14:39:00 <UncleNasty> i would have laughed if he'd not just made me yelp
Jul 07 14:40:19 <BillWarren> So, Neil, could I interest you in a bookmark that includes links to my Frank Gasperik reliquary pages? (Still under construction, but some of it works...)
Jul 07 14:41:20 <UncleNasty> sure
Jul 07 14:41:25 <UncleNasty> let's take a looksee
Jul 07 14:41:42 <BillWarren> www.WarrenPiece.com ... no apologies for the pun.
Jul 07 14:41:51 <UncleNasty> we're in the process of getting a storm by the feel of it, so my sat-net connection may be slow
Jul 07 14:41:59 <UncleNasty> so don't expect any comment on load times ;)
Jul 07 14:42:18 <BillWarren> It's graphics-heavy ... big images.
Jul 07 14:42:37 * UncleNasty is listening to Tommy (the Who) for the first time in about 20 years...
Jul 07 14:42:46 <UncleNasty> forgot how good this album is
Jul 07 14:42:59 <BillWarren> "See me ... feel me ..."
Jul 07 14:43:28 <BillWarren> I'm running Alan Parsons at this end. "Stereotomy ..."
Jul 07 14:43:40 <UncleNasty> I'm feeling more toward the "touch me... heal me..." bit ;)
Jul 07 14:43:52 <UncleNasty> stereotomy is not bad
Jul 07 14:44:04 <BillWarren> I hear you. My ankle is on that page as well.
Jul 07 14:44:34 <UncleNasty> my brother is a major prog rock/jazz fusion amateur guitarist
Jul 07 14:44:43 <UncleNasty> he kind of warped my listening when I was younger
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Jul 07 14:45:35 <UncleNasty> hol acarol
Jul 07 14:45:40 <BillWarren> Love progressive jazz. Ever hear of Michael Kieshammer? (pianist ... astonishing -- very funny live!)
Jul 07 14:45:40 <UncleNasty> hola carol, even
Jul 07 14:45:57 <BillWarren> Hi, dear!
Jul 07 14:45:59 <InvisibleDragon> Hello. I'm not really here yet. I have to go get my raw milk
Jul 07 14:46:12 <BillWarren> Huh?
Jul 07 14:46:21 <InvisibleDragon> Hello, Uncle, Bill, sean, druggie.....
Jul 07 14:46:27 <BillWarren> Do I want to know?
Jul 07 14:46:33 <InvisibleDragon> I can only get my raw milk every two weeks at 2 PM.
Jul 07 14:46:47 <UncleNasty> lately I have been listening to Devin Townsend, Cristophe Godin, A Perfect Circle, etc
Jul 07 14:46:51 <UncleNasty> ahh
Jul 07 14:46:54 <UncleNasty> raw milk rocks
Jul 07 14:46:56 <UncleNasty> very tasty
Jul 07 14:47:05 <UncleNasty> and good for making yoghurt/cheese
Jul 07 14:47:07 <InvisibleDragon> I buy it from a dairy that sells at a nature preserve farmer's market only every two weeks, at 2 PM.
Jul 07 14:47:09 <UncleNasty> speaking of which...
Jul 07 14:47:18 <InvisibleDragon> Butter from raw milk is SO good.
Jul 07 14:47:24 <UncleNasty> we have a colby-jack cheese that should be ready to try now
Jul 07 14:47:39 <UncleNasty> my wife is experimenting in cheesemaking
Jul 07 14:47:42 <InvisibleDragon> You make you own cheese? Awesome!!!!
Jul 07 14:47:42 <BillWarren> Homemade, Un?
Jul 07 14:47:54 <UncleNasty> and we haven't bought yoghurt in well over a year
Jul 07 14:47:58 <UncleNasty> yup
Jul 07 14:48:08 <UncleNasty> we're planning to try a cheddar if the jack turns out OK
Jul 07 14:48:29 <UncleNasty> brb - need fluids!
Jul 07 14:48:43 <BillWarren> Thoroughly awesome! Western Washington University makes one as part of their agricultural program, called 'Cougar Gold" ... great cheese!
Jul 07 14:49:45 <BillWarren> Carol! Bookmark a page! www.WarrenPiece.com Still under construction, but I'm up and running!
Jul 07 14:50:40 <BillWarren> Photos of Frank's Great Ape!
Jul 07 14:51:05 <BillWarren> (Well, progress on that front, anyway)
Jul 07 14:51:56 <InvisibleDragon> Bill, you showed me the other day, we talked about things there! You are doing a great job!
Jul 07 14:52:04 <InvisibleDragon> Ah, in progress? I'll look
Jul 07 14:53:37 <BillWarren> I met with the firing experts last night, the Kiln Guru steered me away from the wireframe idea. Going to go with a papeir-mache core instead.
Jul 07 14:54:01 <InvisibleDragon> Thank you. I was worried about the metal in clay.
Jul 07 14:54:01 <BillWarren> ^papier^
Jul 07 14:54:32 <InvisibleDragon> I'd figured you got that from REAL Experts, though, and I"m not that.
Jul 07 14:54:55 <BillWarren> He said it would probably have worked as I had planned, but recommended the paper core.
Jul 07 14:55:01 <InvisibleDragon> I hav eto re-boot. I may not even get back on Trillian before I have to leave. SHould have left already. Be back soon.
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Jul 07 15:02:30 <NickE> oh bugger, missed Carol
Jul 07 15:02:56 <NickE> Gonna eat shortly...oh now apparently bak in a while
Jul 07 15:02:59 <BillWarren> She'll be back ... had to go get some raw milk.
Jul 07 15:03:22 <NickE> so I see. Gonna eat. Later
Jul 07 15:03:30 <BillWarren> L8R
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Jul 07 15:12:50 <mark> Hello Larry!
Jul 07 15:13:39 <UncleNasty> back
Jul 07 15:13:42 <UncleNasty> hola larry
Jul 07 15:14:00 <mark> hey nasty. I hope you're feeling less nasty today.
Jul 07 15:14:14 <UncleNasty> heh - feeling very opiated today
Jul 07 15:14:43 <mark> ah. you were kind of out of it yesterday.
Jul 07 15:15:16 <UncleNasty> yeah - am today, too. I'm a little more alive than yesterday
Jul 07 15:15:23 <mark> that's good.
Jul 07 15:15:24 <UncleNasty> felt wrung out & thrown away
Jul 07 15:15:40 <Larry> Hi. Give me a second to complete a chore.
Jul 07 15:15:51 <mark> well, yeah. having your entire blood volume replaced by saline will do that to you!
Jul 07 15:15:59 <Larry> Okay, chore completed. How's everyone?
Jul 07 15:16:13 <UncleNasty> gettin there, larry! you?
Jul 07 15:16:18 <mark> not to bad.
Jul 07 15:17:01 <mark> it's been raining in the UK for about three solid weeks. My house is feeling -- damp
Jul 07 15:17:25 <UncleNasty> hrm - our garbage can just blew away
Jul 07 15:17:31 <mark> wheee!
Jul 07 15:17:33 <Larry> I'm fine. Looking at a massive rewrite of Inferno 2 as per our editor's reactions.
Jul 07 15:17:47 <UncleNasty> eek
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Jul 07 15:18:16 <mark> ah. been looking forward to that one for a long time.
Jul 07 15:18:26 <Larry> It's hot here. I've left the pool open so evaporation can cool it below blood temperature.
Jul 07 15:19:02 <mark> i hear it's been Arizona like temperatures in California.
Jul 07 15:19:07 <UncleNasty> i need to get another copy of inferno... a visitor 'borrowed' it... 6 bloody years ago
Jul 07 15:19:58 <UncleNasty> just checkoing out the reliquary pics - good stuff, bill!
Jul 07 15:20:08 <Wirehead> i've had that happen before. then everyone i loaned books to gave them all back at once. i have 4 copys of ringworld alone
Jul 07 15:20:24 <Larry> The news suggests evil weather everywhere. At least the Chatsworth winds aren't blowing, and no fires nearby.
Jul 07 15:20:34 <UncleNasty> heh - I recently got back my copy of N-Space off an 8 year 'loan'
Jul 07 15:20:36 <mark> Ah. Yes. I had a signed copy of Footfall vanish that way.
Jul 07 15:20:46 <mark> 8 *years*??
Jul 07 15:20:51 <UncleNasty> yup
Jul 07 15:21:03 <Larry> wirehead, that's a sad tale.
Jul 07 15:21:09 <UncleNasty> i guess he was a slow reader ;)
Jul 07 15:21:48 <mark> I was watching water spurting out of storm drains yesterday, instead of going into the storm drains. I'm glad I don't live at the bottom of the hill!
Jul 07 15:21:59 <Larry> When I loan books out, I don't really expect them back. I've got the missionary urge.
Jul 07 15:22:29 <UncleNasty> same here to a degree, but there's some I do like to re-read
Jul 07 15:22:31 <mark> i think that's a good policy.
Jul 07 15:22:42 <UncleNasty> I loaned out snowcrash 6 months ago... wouldn't mind seeing that back
Jul 07 15:23:18 <Wirehead> lol, yeah i'm about the same. but now i've got all my friends absolutely *addicted* to known space
Jul 07 15:23:30 <UncleNasty> then again, I do lend out 'appleseed' just to see the look of confusion on people's faces :D
Jul 07 15:23:41 <BillWarren> Hello, Larry! Sorry, I was off on a tangent! Hi Mark & Wire!
Jul 07 15:23:47 <mark> hey bill!
Jul 07 15:23:58 <Wirehead> hello
Jul 07 15:24:02 <Larry> hi, bill.
Jul 07 15:25:10 <BillWarren> Interesting news on the Frank G gorilla front ... under construction, but I'm documenting progress on my new website! www.WarrenPiece.com
Jul 07 15:25:41 <BillWarren> Larry, may I link to your page?
Jul 07 15:27:28 <Larry> I'm not sure what it means, but sure, link to my page. What do you need?
Jul 07 15:27:53 <UncleNasty> mark: I recall a couple of occasions when I ventured down from the moorlands to Stoke when there was severe rain... Watching the drain covers float was amusing, if a bit whiffy
Jul 07 15:28:10 <Wirehead> has anyone here heard of the work of Dr. Podkletnov?
Jul 07 15:28:29 <BillWarren> Just permission. I thank you on the site, I'd just like to activate links to Known Space.
Jul 07 15:28:48 <UncleNasty> Wirehead: gravity shielding?
Jul 07 15:29:17 <Wirehead> indeed. i find it unlikely, yet interesting
Jul 07 15:29:28 <Larry> okay.
Jul 07 15:29:34 <UncleNasty> gravity shielding always reminds me of "The First Men in the Moon"
Jul 07 15:30:21 <Wirehead> all i want is a hover board. long as i have one of those, i'm happy
Jul 07 15:30:43 <BillWarren> Cavorite could be fun ... ;)
Jul 07 15:31:05 <UncleNasty> lol - whoa - just checking imdb
Jul 07 15:31:23 <Larry> Dark energy equals antigravity. (It still needs to be focused.)
Jul 07 15:31:38 <UncleNasty> 1964 - http://imdb.com/title/tt0058100/plotsummary
Jul 07 15:32:13 <UncleNasty> if we've got gravity control, I want one of the guns & ships the necromongers user in chronicles of riddick
Jul 07 15:32:18 <UncleNasty> hehehe
Jul 07 15:33:12 <NickE> back. Hi Larry!
Jul 07 15:33:27 <NickE> Hi Mark
Jul 07 15:33:29 <Wirehead> you can have your necromonger stuff, i'll take the eye shine/goggles
Jul 07 15:33:30 <UncleNasty> wb Nick
Jul 07 15:33:35 <UncleNasty> heh
Jul 07 15:34:03 <UncleNasty> in a traveller game I came up with a way to produce singularity missiles - they were pretty cool
Jul 07 15:34:20 <BillWarren> I get a"no match" on that url for some reason, Neil.
Jul 07 15:34:25 <UncleNasty> hrm
Jul 07 15:35:30 <UncleNasty> as bill pointed out, cavorite could be fun:
Jul 07 15:35:35 <UncleNasty> ahem: "Based on the HG Wells story. The world is delighted when a space craft containing a crew made up of the world's astronauts lands on the moon, they think for the first time. But the delight turns to shock when the astronauts discover an old British flag and a document declaring that the moon is taken for Queen Victoria proving that the astronauts were not the first men on the moon. On Earth, an investigation team finds the last of the Victori
Jul 07 15:35:35 <UncleNasty> Going back in time to 1899, Arnold Bedford and his fiancée, Kate Callendar, learn that their neighbor, Joseph Cavor, has developed a substance he calls "cavorite," which counters gravity. They travel to the moon in a spherical vessel he has built, parts of which are coated with "cavorite." "
Jul 07 15:36:20 <Wirehead> i'm actually crafting a hard core sci-fi campaign with crustatiapoid methane breathers as the antagonistic race
Jul 07 15:36:35 <Wirehead> D20 system RPG
Jul 07 15:36:54 <UncleNasty> heh - you need some hippies in there, if the bad guys are the crabs ;)
Jul 07 15:37:10 <NickE> <fnarf>
Jul 07 15:37:11 <BillWarren> Just make sure they're too big to be accidentally swallowed by a small dog ...
Jul 07 15:37:18 <NickE> :-)
Jul 07 15:38:12 <Wirehead> lulz
Jul 07 15:39:45 <Wirehead> be back soon. may the dark energy be with you all
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Jul 07 15:40:11 <mark> darn energy?
Jul 07 15:40:31 <UncleNasty> dark energy
Jul 07 15:40:36 <NickE> dark mate, dark
Jul 07 15:41:04 <mark> I think that darn energy sounds better.
Jul 07 15:41:24 <NickE> that too
Jul 07 15:41:29 <NickE> :-)
Jul 07 15:41:41 <mark> that darn energy, pushing the universe apart, we just don't know what it is!
Jul 07 15:41:48 <NickE> heh
Jul 07 15:42:15 <NickE> Makes as much sense as any of teh other current theories
Jul 07 15:42:40 <BillWarren> Bottle it and we'll talk.
Jul 07 15:42:59 <UncleNasty> i figured if you had an antigravity generator powered in the same manner as a nuclear pumped x-ray laser, and mounted it on a missile, you launch at your target, detonate the warhead to overload the AG generator and create a point singularity which absorbs the missile and continues on the same ballistic track, you have a really effective weapon for use against an armada
Jul 07 15:43:03 <Larry> I'm with Einstein. I wanted the universe to be stable.
Jul 07 15:43:29 <NickE> So Larry, how far back is this re-write of Inferno2 going to put things?
Jul 07 15:43:30 <UncleNasty> universe be damned, I just want my workload stable
Jul 07 15:43:36 <NickE> that too
Jul 07 15:43:46 <mark> heh... universe be damned, i just want my daughter to be stable!
Jul 07 15:43:55 <UncleNasty> heh
Jul 07 15:43:55 <NickE> :-/
Jul 07 15:44:04 <UncleNasty> s/daughter/wife
Jul 07 15:44:08 <mark> she's coo coo for cocopufs
Jul 07 15:44:14 <UncleNasty> O:-)
Jul 07 15:44:20 <BillWarren> I live in a seismically active zone, I just want the GROUND to be stable.
Jul 07 15:44:35 <Larry> Give me a month, barring interruptions.
Jul 07 15:45:11 <UncleNasty> looking forward to inferno 2 - inferno is a thought provoking read
Jul 07 15:45:16 <NickE> That quick? Guess it depends on whats needed
Jul 07 15:45:19 <UncleNasty> from what I recall
Jul 07 15:45:31 <mark> Larry, i told my wife this was her big chance to complain to you about all that time I spend reading your books and doing website maintenance and stuff, instead of "productive work" but she's chickening out now.
Jul 07 15:45:41 <NickE> Aye, really like Inferno...1 I guess we'll have to call it now :-)
Jul 07 15:45:42 <UncleNasty> ROFL
Jul 07 15:45:43 <mark> so... I thought i'd tell you on her behalf.
Jul 07 15:45:57 <NickE> :-)
Jul 07 15:46:00 <mark> at least it isn't, instead of "getting a job" now.
Jul 07 15:46:03 <NickE> <waves to Jane>
Jul 07 15:46:36 <mark> jayne says hello
Jul 07 15:46:42 <NickE> hiya
Jul 07 15:47:12 <NickE> Ah, spelt the firefly way. I approve :-)
Jul 07 15:47:24 <mark> heh. yeah
Jul 07 15:47:26 <UncleNasty> I'll be in my bunk...
Jul 07 15:47:29 <NickE> LOL
Jul 07 15:47:41 <BillWarren> She has to be prettier than Firefly's Jayne ...
Jul 07 15:47:48 <NickE> Oh much
Jul 07 15:48:01 * InvisibleDragon (~Carol@69.91.63.210) has joined #knownspace
Jul 07 15:48:04 <UncleNasty> mark: Does Jayne have a favourite gun, at all?
Jul 07 15:48:07 <UncleNasty> wb carol!
Jul 07 15:48:07 <NickE> WB Carol
Jul 07 15:48:17 <BillWarren> Hi again, dear!
Jul 07 15:48:24 <Larry> Hi, Jane! Wasting other people's time is what I do.
Jul 07 15:48:29 * InvisibleDragon is now known as FlyingDragon
Jul 07 15:48:33 <NickE> He's good at it too
Jul 07 15:48:41 <FlyingDragon> Hello again!
Jul 07 15:48:51 <FlyingDragon> Larry! Hello!
Jul 07 15:49:14 <FlyingDragon> Larry, My time doesn't feel wasted!
Jul 07 15:49:25 <BillWarren> Mine either!
Jul 07 15:49:30 <Larry> hello, FlyingDragon.
Jul 07 15:49:50 <NickE> Looking forward to FOW. Those who have read ARCs have kept quiet on spoilers but say its very good
Jul 07 15:50:16 <NickE> fanac isn't a waste...well usually....well sometimes :-)
Jul 07 15:51:01 <FlyingDragon> Have I got a good story. Keegan gave his daddy a specialty socket set for Father's Day: a hundred little sockets of those varieties that no one ever has, that companies use so that consumers have to depend on them to repair stuff.
Jul 07 15:51:13 <NickE> Oh very cool
Jul 07 15:51:23 <FlyingDragon> Peter is working on the Orion. He needed one of those sockets to fix a test article he is working on!
Jul 07 15:51:23 <UncleNasty> YES!! Chapters/Indigo finally have Inferno in stock!!!
Jul 07 15:51:26 <BillWarren> Sorta depends on *which* fans and *what* acs...
Jul 07 15:51:32 <mark> im trying to modify a different plug to charge this razor... so if you hear a thud... well...
Jul 07 15:51:38 <NickE> Last chat or so someone was after something like that
Jul 07 15:52:00 <FlyingDragon> Some certain person's fan ac may be a waste to YOU, but it shouldn't be to THEM.
Jul 07 15:52:06 <NickE> Oh thats shiny. Tell him not to miss any nuts!
Jul 07 15:52:30 <FlyingDragon> Nick, I bought them because of the lead I got on this chat. So, this chat had a hand in the space program!!!!
Jul 07 15:53:11 <NickE> Ah. Tryiing to recall who suggested the link. It'll be in one of the logs. Thats cool
Jul 07 15:53:11 <FlyingDragon> He is working on a test article for the parachutes. Rain has hurt thier schedule so much, they all had to go into work today. That is where he is.
Jul 07 15:53:35 <NickE> I can forgive having to go work on a spaceship!
Jul 07 15:54:06 <FlyingDragon> Yes, gotta forgive him for working on our dreams!
Jul 07 15:54:07 <UncleNasty> NickE: Could you class that as 'work'??
Jul 07 15:54:13 <BillWarren> Orion as in "Constellation" program? Vurra kewl!
Jul 07 15:54:23 <FlyingDragon> Larry, how is Inferno sequal coming? Does Frank have a spot?
Jul 07 15:54:24 <mark> i think they want this stupid plug to be safe or something. to hell with that.
Jul 07 15:54:41 <FlyingDragon> Orion as in "Apollo on steroids".
Jul 07 15:54:46 <NickE> Well "I" wouldn't, but I'mbiased...and also not an engineer
Jul 07 15:54:48 <UncleNasty> shame it's not orion-proper <sigh>
Jul 07 15:55:03 <NickE> Ol bang bang would be ace
Jul 07 15:55:10 <FlyingDragon> Mark, wanna drink?
Jul 07 15:55:30 <mark> yes please. although i neglected to buy the bloody mary stuff
Jul 07 15:55:49 <Larry> Yeah, I have a fondness for the classic Orion.
Jul 07 15:55:53 <BillWarren> Nice ... I was working on some concepts for that when I was at Boeing.
Jul 07 15:56:01 <NickE> way ahead of you. Some nice Belgian Triple...yum
Jul 07 15:56:30 * UncleNasty checks label... "Do not consume alcohol while on this medication" <sigh>
Jul 07 15:56:37 <NickE> bummer
Jul 07 15:56:52 <FlyingDragon> I'm dringing some German Apollinaris: natrually sparkling mineral water, high mineral content, low sodium.
Jul 07 15:56:57 <UncleNasty> NickE: <pun alert> It's driving me nuts </pun alert>
Jul 07 15:57:00 <NickE> Theres a certain "righness" about using bombs to get to orbit I think :-)
Jul 07 15:57:08 * Wirehead (~Wirehead@172.149.50.7) has joined #knownspace
Jul 07 15:57:13 <UncleNasty> wb Wirehead
Jul 07 15:57:16 <NickE> <groan>
Jul 07 15:57:22 <NickE> Hey
Jul 07 15:57:35 <FlyingDragon> Larry, how is Inferno sequal coming? Does Frank have a spot?
Jul 07 15:57:41 <FlyingDragon> Hello, wirehead.
Jul 07 15:57:51 <Wirehead> Hello
Jul 07 15:58:05 <NickE> Well, I'm raising a glass to Bob Heinlein and Frank
Jul 07 15:58:08 <UncleNasty> Hey Larry! Chapters is listing a book as "Sequel to Fleet of Worlds"... What's the score???
Jul 07 15:58:18 <BillWarren> And Fred Saberhagen.
Jul 07 15:58:24 <NickE> Juggler of Worlds
Jul 07 15:58:40 <NickE> And Fred of course, crap, slipped my mind
Jul 07 15:58:49 <NickE> sham
Jul 07 15:58:53 <NickE> shame even
Jul 07 15:58:54 <UncleNasty> Tor books - Sep 2008
Jul 07 15:58:55 <Larry> Frank might get in. What sin? We'll consider that.
Jul 07 15:58:57 <FlyingDragon> Unclenasty, have you been asleep? The collaborator hangs here!
Jul 07 15:59:06 <NickE> Take yor pick!
Jul 07 15:59:23 <UncleNasty> They do say that pride goes before a fall...
Jul 07 15:59:31 <NickE> ERL is Ed Lerner.He's been about. Good company here
Jul 07 15:59:33 <FlyingDragon> Sin of..... starting arguements?
Jul 07 15:59:40 <NickE> heh
Jul 07 15:59:45 <UncleNasty> Cardinal or Venial?
Jul 07 15:59:45 <BillWarren> Make him a bad artist and let his sin be "deformation of charicature."
Jul 07 15:59:46 <Larry> Sequel to "Fleet of Worlds" is "Juggler of Worlds", due September 2008, already complete.
Jul 07 15:59:55 <NickE> LOL!!
Jul 07 15:59:56 <UncleNasty> ahhh
Jul 07 16:00:02 <NickE> Oooh!
Jul 07 16:00:05 * FlyingDragon LOL s at Bill
Jul 07 16:00:20 <UncleNasty> I am so med-messed i had no clue about juggler
Jul 07 16:00:24 <NickE> Didnt know it was wrapped. Cool
Jul 07 16:00:49 <UncleNasty> Jan 9, 2007 is the last day I can recall where I didn't hurt, and that's only cos it's marked on the bloody calendar
Jul 07 16:01:02 <NickE> :-(
Jul 07 16:01:38 <BillWarren> That's grievous, Unka N!
Jul 07 16:01:46 <UncleNasty> no kidding
Jul 07 16:01:58 <Wirehead> fleet of worlds...man, i have to get that one. i never get enough Known sapce
Jul 07 16:02:11 <UncleNasty> yah - do like known space
Jul 07 16:02:14 <NickE> No one ever does :-)
Jul 07 16:02:35 <NickE> One of the most interesting universes IMO
Jul 07 16:02:36 <Wirehead> lol
Jul 07 16:02:48 <NickE> 'Course, we're all biased!
Jul 07 16:02:53 <UncleNasty> ya think?
Jul 07 16:03:08 <Wirehead> just a little
Jul 07 16:03:15 <NickE> brb
Jul 07 16:03:25 <FlyingDragon> Larry, have you put anyone we already know in pergatory?
Jul 07 16:03:34 <BillWarren> Larry, are you going to either Worldcon (Yokohama) or NASFiC (St. Louis)?
Jul 07 16:05:54 <NickE> Andy Love said Balticon was good
Jul 07 16:06:17 <NickE> Wish I could just use a tarnsfer booth to go visit
Jul 07 16:06:22 <NickE> transfer
Jul 07 16:06:24 * mark nods at nicke
Jul 07 16:06:39 <UncleNasty> yah
Jul 07 16:06:40 <FlyingDragon> Yeah, that traveling between spots is annoying.
Jul 07 16:06:48 <UncleNasty> i had to head into toronto on tuesday
Jul 07 16:06:55 <NickE> Now there's an environmentally freindly thech we could do with
Jul 07 16:06:55 <UncleNasty> I live 100km north of toronto
Jul 07 16:06:55 <mark> the drive to Oxford nearly killed me. and I ended up walking back to the car park, because no one would agree to wait for the bloody bus!
Jul 07 16:06:58 <BillWarren> Where are the step plates whn you need 'em?
Jul 07 16:07:02 <UncleNasty> first 90km took an hour
Jul 07 16:07:09 <UncleNasty> last 10km took 2 hours
Jul 07 16:07:12 <NickE> OMG!
Jul 07 16:07:31 <NickE> to both horror journeys
Jul 07 16:07:34 <mark> got there and changed a tyre in the rain. was worth it though!
Jul 07 16:07:42 <Wirehead> it gets bad when all your friends live in a town 15 miles away and you don't have your lisence yet...
Jul 07 16:07:48 <NickE> It was cool to see you and the gang
Jul 07 16:08:10 <UncleNasty> Wirehead: no kidding - no idea how you'd survive here without a license
Jul 07 16:08:27 <BillWarren> Cool and the Gang? oops, sorry ...)
Jul 07 16:08:31 <mark> jayne is wasting time in second life, and she complains about me. She says to Larry, she'll make you an avatar if you want to go play in that monumental waste of time. (;
Jul 07 16:08:32 <NickE> :-)
Jul 07 16:08:54 <FlyingDragon> I've known people who lived in Houston for years with no lisence or car. They lived in town, adn spent a LOT of time on the bus.
Jul 07 16:08:56 <Wirehead> well, i may yet be young, but i likes my sci-fi
Jul 07 16:09:00 <UncleNasty> mark: think I'd need a real life before I tried for a second one
Jul 07 16:09:15 <FlyingDragon> Wirehead, have we met?
Jul 07 16:09:19 <mark> BillWarren -> no no no. the comodores
Jul 07 16:09:27 <BillWarren> That's "skiffy", not "sci-fi"
Jul 07 16:09:30 <NickE> (Mark & family came several hundred miles to the Oxford Serenity screening in case anyone was wondering)
Jul 07 16:09:31 <Wirehead> i don't beleive so
Jul 07 16:09:34 <UncleNasty> FlyingDragon: In winter my nearest neighbour is a 5 or 10 minute walk - without proper gear that could be fatal
Jul 07 16:09:39 <Larry> I'm going to Worldcon in Yokohama.
Jul 07 16:09:49 <mark> uncle -> dude. there is a site called "get a first life" you can buy teeshirts
Jul 07 16:09:55 <UncleNasty> lol
Jul 07 16:10:01 <NickE> heh
Jul 07 16:10:07 <UncleNasty> mark: i am so there
Jul 07 16:10:09 <FlyingDragon> Wow, Larry. Have a great time. I'm a little jealous.
Jul 07 16:10:10 <Larry> Balticon was indeed a lot of fun.
Jul 07 16:10:15 <mark> http://www.getafirstlife.com/
Jul 07 16:10:29 * UncleNasty is currently wearing his "SARCASM is just one of the services I offer" T-shirt
Jul 07 16:10:33 <FlyingDragon> Wirehead, I'm Carol Phillips. Are you on the list?
Jul 07 16:10:37 <mark> i haven't been to a con since worldcon was in phoenix
Jul 07 16:10:45 <BillWarren> I wish I could ... I'm going to NASFiC, though.
Jul 07 16:10:53 <Wirehead> saying 'hard core skiffy' just dosn't sound the same
Jul 07 16:11:06 <Wirehead> sounds a bit...well, pornographic
Jul 07 16:11:10 <FlyingDragon> sounds even more like a pron movie.
Jul 07 16:11:16 <FlyingDragon> porn....
Jul 07 16:11:27 <BillWarren> Phoenix as "Iguanacon", Mark?
Jul 07 16:11:27 * UncleNasty is now known as Fluffy_Cumsalot
Jul 07 16:11:36 <Fluffy_Cumsalot> Someone said my name??
Jul 07 16:11:38 <Wirehead> lol
Jul 07 16:11:48 <NickE> I wore my "The Angels have the phone box" T shirt to the London Serenity screening. Got lots of comments (if you've not seen the latest Dr Who, you won't get it)
Jul 07 16:12:04 <FlyingDragon> I don't get it.
Jul 07 16:12:19 <NickE> Like I said :-)
Jul 07 16:12:37 <FlyingDragon> I catch the new Doctor Who once in awhile. Unfortunatly, it is usually the same two episodes.
Jul 07 16:13:16 <NickE> The one with the quantum angels (they can only move when not being observed)
Jul 07 16:13:25 <Fluffy_Cumsalot> brb - quick supermarket trip
Jul 07 16:13:30 <NickE> kina neat episode
Jul 07 16:13:32 * Fluffy_Cumsalot is now known as UncleNasty
Jul 07 16:13:39 <NickE> L*R
Jul 07 16:13:44 <NickE> L8R
Jul 07 16:13:52 <FlyingDragon> Byem Nick
Jul 07 16:13:59 <mark> see ya in a bit nick
Jul 07 16:14:30 <NickE> No, was saying see ya later to Neil...cant shift me that easy!
Jul 07 16:14:54 <FlyingDragon> Oh, Bye Neil!!!
Jul 07 16:14:54 <mark> ok. sorry. i'm having to sort children out
Jul 07 16:15:26 <BillWarren> Wash the colored ones separately.
Jul 07 16:15:48 <Larry> FlyingDragon, I didn't recognize you. Why the choice of name?
Jul 07 16:15:55 <FlyingDragon> Sorting children: Do you use large bins or just go straight to rooms????
Jul 07 16:16:17 <NickE> Isn't it obvious?
Jul 07 16:16:18 <FlyingDragon> Larry, I don't feel very close to fire anymore.
Jul 07 16:16:32 <NickE> Shes a Flying Dragon Goddess
Jul 07 16:16:34 <FlyingDragon> Sometimes I am RedDragon though.
Jul 07 16:16:38 <FlyingDragon> Yes!
Jul 07 16:16:47 <Wirehead> i want the tattoo
Jul 07 16:16:47 <FlyingDragon> Like my email address.....
Jul 07 16:17:31 <Larry> FlyingDragon: I see.
Jul 07 16:17:44 <FlyingDragon> I'd been learning the "Flying Juel Bong" set when I was thinking about a new handle. (juel bong=nunchaka)
Jul 07 16:18:22 <BillWarren> I'm thinking o getting a tattoo ... third finger of the left hand. "NO PARKING."
Jul 07 16:18:28 * senax (~frank@24.252.62.61) has joined #knownspace
Jul 07 16:18:31 <FlyingDragon> I really wanted something Earthy, since fire, air and water have all been mean to me, but when "FlyingDragonGoddess" came to me, I knew that is who I was.
Jul 07 16:18:41 <FlyingDragon> Bill, no need to be so bitter!!!!
Jul 07 16:18:48 <BillWarren> Hi, Senax! Long time no see!
Jul 07 16:18:58 <senax> Howdy everyone.
Jul 07 16:19:01 <mark> i wish i had some cages. bins would do
Jul 07 16:19:04 <NickE> Hey Senax
Jul 07 16:19:08 <FlyingDragon> Hello, Senax.
Jul 07 16:19:10 <Wirehead> i'm the symbol of the sith on my left chest
Jul 07 16:19:14 <Wirehead> hello
Jul 07 16:19:25 <BillWarren> Carol, if I were bitter I'd just lop the thing off! ;)
Jul 07 16:19:33 <Wirehead> the left half any way...
Jul 07 16:19:34 <FlyingDragon> WHich thing?????
Jul 07 16:20:27 <BillWarren> The-third-finger-of-my-left-hand, dear. (I'm not DEAD, just SINGLE!)
Jul 07 16:21:07 <NickE> Thought you did a number on the ring at least
Jul 07 16:21:12 <FlyingDragon> I guess I couldn't completely give up fire, since I am so firey.
Jul 07 16:21:17 <NickE> :-)
Jul 07 16:21:23 * MaGnUs (~emagnus@190.132.136.152) has joined #knownspace
Jul 07 16:21:28 <Larry> Bill, don't make any binding decisions.
Jul 07 16:21:33 <MaGnUs> hey everybody
Jul 07 16:21:39 <NickE> Hello
Jul 07 16:21:45 <BillWarren> That I did, Nick! it was FUN, too!
Jul 07 16:21:47 <FlyingDragon> Hello, MaGnUs!
Jul 07 16:21:49 <senax> Hi
Jul 07 16:21:59 <mark> i think phoenix is too hot for iguanas.
Jul 07 16:22:01 <BillWarren> Hi, MaGnUs!
Jul 07 16:22:13 <MaGnUs> Hello everybody, especially Larry... did I ever send you the link for that interview we did by e-mail?
Jul 07 16:22:16 <mark> Jayne doesn't like guns. I used to have a .22 rifle, but they wouldn't let me bring it.
Jul 07 16:22:31 <Wirehead> I'm also getting a Dune worm from my lower back to the top of my neck, just laying across my spine
Jul 07 16:22:47 <BillWarren> Has there ben another Phoenix Worldcon since 1978? (out of touch, I guess...)
Jul 07 16:22:49 <FlyingDragon> Why put a tattoo where you can't see it?
Jul 07 16:22:51 <MaGnUs> Wirehead: that sounds very cool
Jul 07 16:22:59 <MaGnUs> I have a RPG character who has one like that
Jul 07 16:23:07 <NickE> pics when its done!
Jul 07 16:23:08 <mark> i thought this one was after 1978? I was 9 in 1978
Jul 07 16:23:19 <mark> maybe it was a different con, but it wasn't coppercon or leprecon
Jul 07 16:23:33 <NickE> 14 in 78
Jul 07 16:23:37 <Wirehead> i'm trying to get one good one from all my favorite skiffy universes
Jul 07 16:23:56 <MaGnUs> I myself have a dragon/snake/eagle claw in my arm/shoulder, and plan to get a couple more tattoos, one with a "Stranger In A Strange Land" quote
Jul 07 16:23:59 <NickE> So, Hellflare one for KS?
Jul 07 16:24:14 <mark> my memory isn't always the best... i think it was all those drugs i did in the 80s
Jul 07 16:24:16 <Wirehead> maybe i'll get the back of the ringworld around my wrist :-)
Jul 07 16:24:19 <FlyingDragon> Larry, you didn't recognise me when I come on and start talking abotu Keegan and Peter building rockets?
Jul 07 16:24:19 <mark> and then there was the 90s
Jul 07 16:24:20 <NickE> (no tats.Am wimp)
Jul 07 16:24:47 <FlyingDragon> Mark, I blame rock concerts for my hearing loss.
Jul 07 16:24:50 <NickE> Interesting talk of tats on the list lately
Jul 07 16:24:51 <MaGnUs> can I get TANJ tattooed across my chest :P
Jul 07 16:24:54 <mark> what?
Jul 07 16:25:06 <Wirehead> Nice
Jul 07 16:25:13 <MaGnUs> TANJ :P
Jul 07 16:25:17 <Wirehead> don't give me ideas Magnus
Jul 07 16:25:39 <MaGnUs> hehe wirehead
Jul 07 16:25:40 <Larry> FlyingDragon: should have been paying more attention. Did the rockets work out?
Jul 07 16:26:14 <mark> i have to go the grocery store to get a few things. they close in this crazy socialist country at 10pm on saturday night.
Jul 07 16:26:25 <mark> no one can justify this crazy law to me. no one.
Jul 07 16:26:26 <NickE> heh
Jul 07 16:26:30 <MaGnUs> but with my job (help desk operator) I should change my name and tattoo it on my forehead: Speaker-To-Idiots
Jul 07 16:26:38 <senax> LOL.
Jul 07 16:26:41 <NickE> HA! LOL
Jul 07 16:26:50 <BillWarren> :D
Jul 07 16:26:51 <Wirehead> MEGA LOL
Jul 07 16:26:55 <MaGnUs> nooo, seriously :P
Jul 07 16:27:10 <mark> magnus -> my computer's broken, or something.
Jul 07 16:27:21 <BillWarren> What will you do when you earn a REAL name, then?
Jul 07 16:27:23 <senax> I did the helpdesk thing a few years ago. When I left that job, I had a big party and burned a telephone in my driveway.
Jul 07 16:27:50 <Larry> re hearing: I'm just the wrong age. Hi Fi was getting really poowerful when I was in my teens. So, the hearing is going.
Jul 07 16:27:51 <MaGnUs> it'll go Speaker-To-Idiots, then MaGnUs-Idiotsaver, to just MaGnUs
Jul 07 16:27:53 <Wirehead> i'm getting my ass covered with the chemical formulas for my favorite drugs
Jul 07 16:28:09 * mark is laughing at wirehead.
Jul 07 16:28:26 <MaGnUs> mark: yeah, I only support my company's products, not computers in general "but my MS Word doesn't work"... "So? I'm not Microsoft"
Jul 07 16:28:32 * mark is brought to you by Carls Jr.
Jul 07 16:28:45 <MaGnUs> wirehead: my ass ain't big enough for food recipees
Jul 07 16:28:48 <mark> "Carl's Jr., Fuck you, I'm eating."
Jul 07 16:28:52 <FlyingDragon> Larry, he is working on a test article for the parachuts for the new launch vehicle. They have to test the strength of the fittings and.... shroud?... before they can fly it and see if the parachuts deploy properly. When I last spoke to him, about 10:30 the first test went well. The airplane tug isn't working well.
Jul 07 16:28:57 <NickE> I'm with Carol. Rock gigs plus meaty HiFi will prolly leave me hard o hearing ater on
Jul 07 16:29:00 <senax> Hehe...I still keep the charred phone pieces in a jar as a reminder no take another tech support job.
Jul 07 16:29:18 <FlyingDragon> He's on the phone, the second test didn't get as high a load as they wanted. THey have to go back tomorrow.
Jul 07 16:29:35 <MaGnUs> lol senax
Jul 07 16:29:53 <mark> magnus, you could always eat more, then they would fit
Jul 07 16:30:13 <Wirehead> tetrahydro canabinol, lysergic diethelyne, and so on
Jul 07 16:30:13 <MaGnUs> I couldn't pass this one up, US companies setting up in my country (not outsourcing, though), pay good money compared to local jobs... and in-between callers I have time to write and read
Jul 07 16:30:35 <Wirehead> **lysergic acid diethelyne
Jul 07 16:30:59 <MaGnUs> mom's-killer-seafood-casserole
Jul 07 16:30:59 <mark> http://www.getafirstlife.com/
Jul 07 16:31:00 <senax> diethylamide
Jul 07 16:31:03 <mark> duh!
Jul 07 16:31:12 <BillWarren> I thought it was "diethylamide"...
Jul 07 16:31:26 <FlyingDragon> They are having problesm with the plane tug. It is old, and on the verge of being thrown out. They got it started, and keep it running because they were afraid of it not starting back up. One wheel coudln't keep traction. I guess it is good that they are having problems getting enough pressure on the joints they are testing, rather then the test article breaking up prematurely.
Jul 07 16:31:41 <NickE> cannabinoids are up and coming anti cancer agents oddly enough. Interest growing (as it were)
Jul 07 16:31:46 <Wirehead> My attourney and i perfer diethelyne. rhymes better
Jul 07 16:31:46 <mark> i'll be back 1/2 hour
Jul 07 16:31:52 <FlyingDragon> mom's-killer-seafood-casserole: only made with marine predators?
Jul 07 16:31:59 <mark> nicke > not if you inhale them (;
Jul 07 16:32:01 <FlyingDragon> Bye mark. Say hi to Carl's jr.
Jul 07 16:32:06 <mark> ick.
Jul 07 16:32:14 <NickE> well no
Jul 07 16:32:19 <mark> be back soon. oh yeah, in honor of carol
Jul 07 16:32:22 * mark is now known as druggie
Jul 07 16:32:23 <BillWarren> hat's the tug plane, Carol?
Jul 07 16:32:27 <druggie> i've been christened
Jul 07 16:32:39 <druggie> wirehead, you have good taste
Jul 07 16:32:40 <BillWarren> ^What's^
Jul 07 16:33:08 <MaGnUs> FlyingDragon: hhehe :P no
Jul 07 16:33:13 <FlyingDragon> The plane tug is pulling on the parachut housing. The parachute houseing is bolted to a huge concret slab. They are trying to break it.
Jul 07 16:33:27 <Wirehead> isn't "Wirehead" kind of the known space term for druggie?
Jul 07 16:33:33 <FlyingDragon> Yes.
Jul 07 16:33:43 <NickE> ah.,plane as in "flat" not airplane
Jul 07 16:33:46 <FlyingDragon> Except you use CLEAN electricity!!!
Jul 07 16:33:50 <druggie> yeah, but it's a bit extreme to prefer the drugs to eating...
Jul 07 16:33:53 <BillWarren> I mean, is it a KC-10 or 707 or ...?
Jul 07 16:33:58 <MaGnUs> mom doesn't cook much these days (reuma, arthrytis and all that stuff don't let her), but I still convince her to cook me the casserole every year for my bday
Jul 07 16:34:25 <BillWarren> Ah. I think I get it.
Jul 07 16:34:30 <FlyingDragon> Plane tug: a truck whose job it used to be to pull airplanes, but now ia used to try to break space ship pieces..
Jul 07 16:34:45 <Wirehead> using a vaporizer is clean. pure THC vapor, no tar or carcinogens
Jul 07 16:34:47 <druggie> i always wanted a job breaking stuff. back soon
Jul 07 16:34:55 <NickE> Oh, so airplane related after all :-)_
Jul 07 16:35:39 <NickE> THC is not much cop as anti cancer,but related structures are recieving attention
Jul 07 16:35:58 <Larry> Thanks, FlyingDragon. Say hi to Peter for me, and good luck with the next moonship.
Jul 07 16:36:09 <NickE> Absolutely
Jul 07 16:36:41 <FlyingDragon> Ty, Larry. NIce seeing you!1!!
Jul 07 16:36:52 <Larry> Lunchtime! Fare you well, all.
Jul 07 16:36:59 <NickE> TTFN Larry
Jul 07 16:37:00 <FlyingDragon> TY you too!
Jul 07 16:37:03 <Wirehead> Goodbye
Jul 07 16:37:06 <BillWarren> Bye, Larry!
Jul 07 16:37:07 <NickE> Cheers for dropping in
Jul 07 16:37:18 * Larry has quit ()
Jul 07 16:37:20 <MaGnUs> bye Larry
Jul 07 16:37:26 <MaGnUs> dang, I should have come in earlier
Jul 07 16:37:40 <NickE> That was good. he's been busy the last few chats
Jul 07 16:37:43 <MaGnUs> but I'll definitely start making it if I can every month
Jul 07 16:37:44 <FlyingDragon> Yeah, Nice when Larry drops in.
Jul 07 16:37:51 <FlyingDragon> :-)
Jul 07 16:38:15 <NickE> Its always worth it
Jul 07 16:38:22 <MaGnUs> I wish I was in the US, so I could go to a con and meet him
Jul 07 16:38:28 <Wirehead> just had a great idea: Rastafarian Chirpsithra
Jul 07 16:38:31 <NickE> Where you at
Jul 07 16:38:36 <NickE> LOL!!
Jul 07 16:38:47 <senax> Nice one wirehead
Jul 07 16:38:58 <FlyingDragon> Yes, MaGnUs, where are you?
Jul 07 16:39:12 <MaGnUs> LOL wirehead
Jul 07 16:39:14 <MaGnUs> Uruguay
Jul 07 16:39:26 <Wirehead> wow, i'm so putting that in my new D20.
Jul 07 16:39:36 <NickE> OK, thats a first for the chat!
Jul 07 16:39:53 <MaGnUs> kewl
Jul 07 16:40:04 <MaGnUs> do we do Known Space roleplaying? I'm so in!
Jul 07 16:40:14 <FlyingDragon> YEs, cool. I don't think he makes it to S America much.
Jul 07 16:40:24 <Wirehead> i just use the D20 future RPG system
Jul 07 16:40:30 <Wirehead> works fine
Jul 07 16:40:39 <NickE> I think tehre is a group somewhere doing teh RW RPG onlinw
Jul 07 16:40:42 <NickE> online
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Jul 07 16:41:01 <MaGnUs> FlyingDragon: he said that if we could afford it, he'd fly down for any con... sadly, I'm not in our only con's commitee anymore, and even so, there's no budget :P
Jul 07 16:41:10 <MobileNasty> Hehehe i like my new phone
Jul 07 16:41:17 <NickE> neat
Jul 07 16:41:21 <Wirehead> iPhone?
Jul 07 16:41:41 <BillWarren> Off subject, but I'd be delighted to have a visitor from South America: www.WarrenPiece.com (yet another shameless plug.)
Jul 07 16:41:41 <MobileNasty> Not yet - nokia e62
Jul 07 16:41:57 <BillWarren> Hello, MobileNasty.
Jul 07 16:42:08 <Wirehead> wait till at least 3rd generation to get an iPhone
Jul 07 16:42:09 <MaGnUs> on my way!
Jul 07 16:42:24 <MobileNasty> Iphone will have to wait until i finish house renos
Jul 07 16:42:28 <NickE> Put teh url on teh list Bill, plenty will go looksee
Jul 07 16:42:48 <MaGnUs> and you're all invited to my comics blog, http://thenitpicker.blogspot.com
Jul 07 16:42:59 <FlyingDragon> Magnus, is spanish your milk tounge? Do you find it hard to aquire NIven titles, or do you just order them on the web?
Jul 07 16:43:01 <BillWarren> I'm not sure how to do that, Nick ... hmm.
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Jul 07 16:43:10 <NickE> will check it (Bat freak)
Jul 07 16:43:31 <NickE> I mean, just plug the site on the list
Jul 07 16:43:47 <FlyingDragon> iPhone does look cool. Like you can do anything with it. I want one. Looks like it would be pain to program, though.
Jul 07 16:43:59 <FlyingDragon> It has to be practically plug and play for me.
Jul 07 16:44:01 <MaGnUs> FlyingDragon: I speak both English and Spanish as native tongues, I was born in the US, though my family is all from here (well, my brother lives in NYC)
Jul 07 16:44:14 <FlyingDragon> Very international!
Jul 07 16:44:14 <NickE> Sure Mark gan link it to the KS site from the Frank pages. seeing and how you have him in hand as it were
Jul 07 16:44:23 <BillWarren> Got ya bookmarked, MaGnUs! Thanks!
Jul 07 16:44:24 <MaGnUs> I got my first Larry books from my brother (the one who lives here), who had bought them in the US when we lived there
Jul 07 16:44:28 <Wirehead> Oh hell. these florida thunderstorms roll up this time every day lately. got to get off the computer. good day to you all, and may Finagle's law bless you all
Jul 07 16:44:28 <MaGnUs> kewl bill
Jul 07 16:44:31 <MobileNasty> Argh! "tounge" !!!
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Jul 07 16:44:45 <oliver> Hello
Jul 07 16:44:48 <FlyingDragon> Goodbye, wirehead
Jul 07 16:44:52 <FlyingDragon> Hello, oliver
Jul 07 16:45:05 <MaGnUs> I know there are some translations made in Spain (a friend has Ringworld in Spanish from that series), and I've seen short stories in the Spanish edition of Isaac Asimov magazine
Jul 07 16:45:06 <MobileNasty> Hi oliver!
Jul 07 16:45:07 <senax> bye wirehead
Jul 07 16:45:14 <senax> hi oliver
Jul 07 16:45:15 <MaGnUs> bye wire
Jul 07 16:45:16 <FlyingDragon> Cool.
Jul 07 16:45:16 <BillWarren> Bye, Wire. Hi, Oliver!
Jul 07 16:45:20 <NickE> Hi Oliver
Jul 07 16:45:25 <NickE> By Wire
Jul 07 16:45:25 <MaGnUs> but I've gotten my books from Amazon, mostly
Jul 07 16:45:37 <FlyingDragon> As someone who speaks englicha dn spanish, does NIven translate well?
Jul 07 16:45:45 <MaGnUs> barring comic books, Niven is probably the author I have the most books off
Jul 07 16:45:56 <MaGnUs> FlyingDragon: oh yeah, though I rather read the original language when I can
Jul 07 16:46:27 <NickE> brb
Jul 07 16:46:51 <BillWarren> I want to read Ringworld in the original Kzin ...
Jul 07 16:46:56 <FlyingDragon> LOL
Jul 07 16:47:09 <MaGnUs> heh
Jul 07 16:47:15 <MaGnUs> shakespeare in the original Klingon
Jul 07 16:47:31 <FlyingDragon> I do so enjoy Dr Suess in Latin.
Jul 07 16:47:34 <MaGnUs> but hell, Mundo Anillo does not have the same ring.... no pun intended, that Ringworld has :P
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Jul 07 16:48:07 <BillWarren> BOO, MaGnUs! (giggling)
Jul 07 16:48:09 <FlyingDragon> Magnus, I recongise your name from some of the more obscure Niven lists. You have never joined The Larry Niven Mailing List?
Jul 07 16:48:39 <MobileNasty> Bell & rogers are launching a wimax internet service in ontario - talk about skiffy coming to life
Jul 07 16:49:28 <FlyingDragon> I understand that often times in translating, certain words are left in the original language. That coudl be done wrt to RINGWORLD.
Jul 07 16:50:42 <MaGnUs> flyingdragon: well, it depends on who's doing the translation
Jul 07 16:50:53 * Received a CTCP VERSION from senax
Jul 07 16:50:57 <FlyingDragon> I'm sure it does.
Jul 07 16:50:57 * Received a CTCP VERSION from senax
Jul 07 16:51:05 <MaGnUs> I for example, would leave "Slaver" untranslated, but in Spain they try to translate EVERYHING
Jul 07 16:51:09 <MobileNasty> Has anyone on the list ever looked at lojban, while we're on the subject of languages
Jul 07 16:51:25 <oliver> I'd translate it. In the original it is a descriptive term, isn't it?
Jul 07 16:51:33 <MaGnUs> nice galleries bill
Jul 07 16:51:46 <MaGnUs> I'm not so sure oliver
Jul 07 16:51:47 <NickE> they are indeed
Jul 07 16:51:55 <BillWarren> Thank you, M! More coming soon.
Jul 07 16:51:57 <MaGnUs> and the Outsiders would sound stupid in Spanish
Jul 07 16:51:58 <FlyingDragon> Yes, magnus,
Jul 07 16:52:07 <MaGnUs> I love the Dragon piece with the "prop"
Jul 07 16:52:17 <MaGnUs> my bad then
Jul 07 16:52:23 <FlyingDragon> How would you say "outsiders"?
Jul 07 16:52:37 <MobileNasty> Bill: what 3D tool did you render the reliquary with?
Jul 07 16:52:41 <MaGnUs> well, depends...
Jul 07 16:52:56 <MaGnUs> forasteros, extranjeros... there's no exact word
Jul 07 16:53:19 <MaGnUs> in the comic The Outsiders it's usually left untranslated, even in Spain
Jul 07 16:53:21 <BillWarren> The gorilla was modelled in Poser5, the images were rendered (and the base modelled) in 3DSMAX9
Jul 07 16:53:25 <oliver> @MaGnUs, well it is a world in the shape of a ring
Jul 07 16:53:39 <FlyingDragon> outside, as in "go play outside." what is that?
Jul 07 16:53:40 <MobileNasty> Magnus: would "Xeno" work in spanish?
Jul 07 16:53:40 <MaGnUs> it is...
Jul 07 16:53:47 <MaGnUs> dragon: afuera
Jul 07 16:54:05 <MaGnUs> mobile: not sure if it's accepted officialy, but it's used in scifi, since it's latin or greek
Jul 07 16:54:25 <FlyingDragon> xeno works in english!
Jul 07 16:54:44 <MobileNasty> Yeah i was thinking the latin/greek root may work in spanish
Jul 07 16:54:47 <FlyingDragon> you derive forasternos from afuera?
Jul 07 16:55:05 <MaGnUs> forasteros and afuera do have a common root, if I'm not mistaken
Jul 07 16:55:20 <MaGnUs> forastero is more like "howdy stranger", like for somebody who's from out of town
Jul 07 16:55:31 <MaGnUs> and extranjero is actually foreigner
Jul 07 16:56:25 <FlyingDragon> Do either have a connotation of "different"?
Jul 07 16:57:11 <MaGnUs> not literally, but implied, yes... being a foreigner implies being different, and extranjero (foreigner) shares a root with extraño (strange, which is also like weird, or like stranger for a person)
Jul 07 16:57:44 <FlyingDragon> ah, then that one is a better translation.
Jul 07 16:57:52 <MaGnUs> yah, I guess
Jul 07 16:58:02 <BillWarren> Has a nice ring to it, too
Jul 07 16:58:10 <MaGnUs> I would have to check one of the translations to see how they did it..... they probably did it wrong :P
Jul 07 16:58:18 <MaGnUs> and We Made It would be Lo Logramos
Jul 07 16:58:20 <MaGnUs> :P
Jul 07 16:58:33 <FlyingDragon> Translators probably do not agonise over individual words like a fan would.
Jul 07 16:58:35 <MaGnUs> Belter, though, would suck as "Cinturoneros"
Jul 07 16:58:42 <MaGnUs> flyindragon: indeed they don;t
Jul 07 16:59:18 <FlyingDragon> We, however, spend MONTHS talking about the pronunciation of "Louis Wu"!!!!!
Jul 07 16:59:30 <MaGnUs> heh
Jul 07 16:59:33 <MaGnUs> Luweewu
Jul 07 16:59:48 <FlyingDragon> Yes, Magnus. I'm having a party in an hour. I need to clean off my dinning table.
Jul 07 16:59:48 <BillWarren> LOL ... I remember a cartoon with Batman breaking through a window and the bad guys are going, "Ach! Ist die Fledermausmann!"
Jul 07 17:00:06 <FlyingDragon> Bill, LOL
Jul 07 17:00:11 <MobileNasty> Language is a tool and is easy to use badly - after all, you _can_ use a hammer to put screws in, but it doesn't make it a good idea
Jul 07 17:00:15 <MaGnUs> lol billwarren
Jul 07 17:00:29 <oliver> Some don't even try to understand what they are reading. The worst translation I've read was of "The gripping hand"
Jul 07 17:00:31 <MobileNasty> Lol
Jul 07 17:00:36 <MaGnUs> cool Dragon, I should leave in about 30 for a RPG game
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Jul 07 17:00:44 <FlyingDragon> Yes, Nasty. If you have a hammer, everythinglooks like a nail.
Jul 07 17:00:48 <MobileNasty> Hola hippy
Jul 07 17:00:49 <NickE> Hi Hipppy
Jul 07 17:00:55 <BillWarren> Howdy, Hippie!
Jul 07 17:00:57 <FlyingDragon> Hello, Hippy.
Jul 07 17:01:00 <Hippy> Good evening, everyone
Jul 07 17:01:03 <oliver> Hi Hippie
Jul 07 17:01:13 <FlyingDragon> Gotta go, guys! Sorry, wish I could stay!!!!!!
Jul 07 17:01:27 <BillWarren> Night, Carol! Take care!
Jul 07 17:01:27 <Hippy> 'Bye Carol It's been fun :)
Jul 07 17:01:28 <MaGnUs> see ya late
Jul 07 17:01:30 <MaGnUs> see ya later
Jul 07 17:01:32 <NickE> TTFN
Jul 07 17:01:34 * FlyingDragon slips on her invisiblility cloak
Jul 07 17:01:35 <oliver> Goodbye
Jul 07 17:01:35 <MaGnUs> Dragon=Carol? :P
Jul 07 17:01:36 <MobileNasty> Ttfn
Jul 07 17:01:40 <MaGnUs> oh... lady dragon
Jul 07 17:01:44 * FlyingDragon is now known as InvisibleDragon
Jul 07 17:01:45 <NickE> tata for now
Jul 07 17:02:13 <InvisibleDragon> Yes, Dragon is Carol
Jul 07 17:02:19 <Hippy> How is everyone? I had intended to get on here earlier, but it's difficult to wake up early on a Sunday
Jul 07 17:02:29 <BillWarren> Yes, M. I mention her on the Reliquary Page.
Jul 07 17:02:41 <NickE> Waht time down under
Jul 07 17:02:48 <UncleNasty> phone is cool but a bugger to type
Jul 07 17:02:56 <Hippy> Just on 7AM Sunday morning
Jul 07 17:03:11 <NickE> Good to see yo anyway DJ
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Jul 07 17:03:40 <Hippy> I"m pleased to be here. I had intended to properly celebrate Mr Heinlein's centenary, but couldn't find any whiskey for Irish coffee
Jul 07 17:04:10 <MaGnUs> hippy: when is the centerary?
Jul 07 17:04:18 <Hippy> It's today, your time
Jul 07 17:04:29 <Hippy> Ie, 7th July 2007
Jul 07 17:04:35 <UncleNasty> argh - it's the big day - brb got to check if the cheese worked!
Jul 07 17:04:37 <NickE> Now if I had a transfer booth, I bought some nice stuff (not Irish) i could zap ya
Jul 07 17:04:51 <BillWarren> I remember getting up (religiously, no pun intended) at 0630 Sunday mornings to videotape "Reboot" from Vancouver BC...
Jul 07 17:05:05 <NickE> And have raised a glass already to Bob, frankG and Fred S
Jul 07 17:05:14 <MaGnUs> oh, cool
Jul 07 17:05:18 <NickE> There goes another one :-)
Jul 07 17:05:30 <Hippy> If I had one I could instantly get to. . .well, Canada, Germany, Texas, Kentucky - all over the place!
Jul 07 17:05:54 <Hippy> Ooh, I"d forgotten Fred S. Vale, Mr Saberhagen
Jul 07 17:06:00 <NickE> Would be cool....as long as Mr Gates doesnt bid for teh OS!
Jul 07 17:06:07 <MaGnUs> I need to toast to him
Jul 07 17:06:40 <oliver> How are transfer booths payed for? Do they have a standard fee or do you pay for the distance?
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Jul 07 17:06:51 <BillWarren> Quarters.
Jul 07 17:06:54 * CrazyEddy (~CrazyEddy@220.253.148.164) has joined #knownspace
Jul 07 17:07:10 <NickE> Hey Ed! WB Eddie
Jul 07 17:07:11 <BillWarren> Hello EML and CE!
Jul 07 17:07:34 <NickE> tenth star coin by RW era
Jul 07 17:07:34 <EML> I guess the First Saturday chats are still on.
Jul 07 17:07:34 <Hippy> It depends on which universe you're in. In the 'Flash Crowd' universe, it's 'a chocolate dollar per flick per man' but in KS it doesn't seem to say how they work
Jul 07 17:07:37 <oliver> Hi EML and Crazy
Jul 07 17:07:42 <NickE> Oh indeed
Jul 07 17:07:47 <NickE> You missed Larry
Jul 07 17:07:51 <MaGnUs> in KS it seems to be free
Jul 07 17:07:58 <EML> Excellent!
Jul 07 17:07:59 <MaGnUs> or maybe paid for with taxes
Jul 07 17:08:00 <Hippy> What??????!!!!! Damn!!!!!
Jul 07 17:08:07 <NickE> Soory
Jul 07 17:08:18 <EML> What did Larry have to say for himself?
Jul 07 17:08:25 <Hippy> Curse this International Date Line, GMT and the horse it rode in on!
Jul 07 17:08:29 <NickE> WAs cool. Tells us the JOW is done. That so Ed?
Jul 07 17:08:32 <senax> A chocolate dollar wouldn't last long here today...98F/37C
Jul 07 17:08:37 <BillWarren> Working on Book 2
Jul 07 17:08:45 <MaGnUs> jow?
Jul 07 17:08:45 <NickE> Infernpo
Jul 07 17:08:53 <NickE> inferno2 that is
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